If Machine Guns are illegal

Strange is it not that all of western Europe limit firearms to the point that even BB guns in England have limit on the foot pounds they can deliver to a target but they are not slave states but somehow only the right to bear arms and not just most arms but arms that are able to killed massive numbers of people are keeping us free.

 

When you are forced to rely on the state for your own personal protection, you are, indeed, a slave.

 

So why do you not list the 13 states who population do not care about the lives and welfare of their children more then gun rights.

Somehow I do not see the semi auto weapons at any cost in the lives of children group being able to stop a repeal if a repeal is the only means of stopping the schools from being slaughter houses.

 

So all of the people of this planet are slaves but for the US?

 

CA NY NJ MA DE MD IL CT RI HI....

 

Pretty much.
If you do not have the right to the means to defend yourself, you are a slave to the state.

 

LOL you are funny starting the list with CA and NY as states that would support the second amendment at any cost in the blood of their children.

 

I'm sorry -- you asked for states that who population do not care about the lives and welfare of their children more then gun rights.
I only listed 10 - you need 3 more. Sorry.

 

Many people disagree with the above statement:
https://www.realtree.com/brow-tines-and-backstrap/why-you-should-use-an-ar-15-as-a-deer-rifle
http://www.petersenshunting.com/gear-accessories/rifles/ar-15/how-to-choose-the-perfect-hunting-ar/

https://gundigest.com/reviews/ar-15-ideal-home-defense-guns

Per the Mother Jones database
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XV4mZi3gYDgwx5PrLwqqHTUlHkwkV-6uy_yeJh3X46o/edit#gid=0
There were 16 mass shootings in schools between 1982 and 2018 (including Parkland). That's 36 years, not even one per year. Schools aren't slaughter houses by any shape of the imagination. The inflammatory rhetoric that you are spouting is part of why I rejoined the NRA in the last two weeks, and why I'm resolved that we shouldn't give in at all. There is no way you will ever get 38 states to agree to ban guns.

 

So you think that the tend of

Yes sure we will not as the death toll from these guns are going up year after year and I love the claims that rifles that are able to take a 100 rounds magazines are needed for hunting!!!!!!!!!!

Remarkable claims that such steps as limiting magazines sizes on rifles to made them less of a mass killing tool are harmful to your freedom.

As a gun owner myself I do not wish to see the 2 amendment repeal but if that the only means of stopping massive death tolls then it should be repeal as fast as possible.

 

Those poor people is all those slave nations that at least do not have to worry about their children coming home from school alive.

 

Nope - just that the police might not be able tog et there in time to rescue them from the intruder you cannot stop.

 

Such would never withstand constitutional scrutiny under any standard of review, so there is no point in even discussing such a notion.

No such argument was made on the part of myself. Rather it was being pointed out that what is being proposed by yourself has no basis in reality.

Except for the simple fact that legal activities will indeed be negatively affected by such a proposal.

And how would such a proposal address the fact that prohibited individual will continue to possess tens to hundreds of millions of semi-automatic firearms, and thus will have the advantage over everyone in society?

 

If someone can illegally acquire a prohibited firearm, as has been demonstrated many millions of times each year, they can just as easily acquire such magazines, meaning that the capacity limitation will produce no positive benefit to society.

 

Nonsense as I am fairly sure I could in one way or another get my hands on all manner of weapons and parts of weapons that are legal or not legal without being found out but in many cases we are not talking about fully functioning adults but mentally limited and also likely pre-adults.

Take note of how often such what to be shooters are found out before they can act.

Now it one thing for parents or the police for that matter. in this last case, to not act when an unstable 19 years old purchase legal firearms at a local gun shop it another to not act if he is fulling his bedroom with illegal firearms.

 

if machine guns were legal, one would only have to fear bad guys with machine guns

 

Oh, c'mon.

Their concern is pretty obvious where privately held guns are concerned. They don't like guns and are afraid of themselves or a loved one or friend getting shot.

They should be taken seriously because they vote.

How they feel will impact how they act. Apparently, you're intending to tell them how they should feel.

 

People can make their own firearms with a 3-D printer. Banning all semiautomatic weapons is so extreme, your action will bring the law itself into disrepute.

Why would anyone be a cop with you in charge? Cops want to come back to their families at the end of the day.

 

You two "no compromise" types deserve each other.

 

I'm quite sure a national firearms permit would be constitutional, especially if the enabling legislation says a permit shall be issued upon application unless an individual is a member of an excluded class, and there is a defined appeal process.

You already live in such a society.

The only thing I talked about was a national firearms permit and it was the permit @Reality said would "light the fuse again." I'm not responsible for divining his issues with society.

Before you start thinking Americans want a revolution, read this...

http://www.people-press.org/2015/11/23/beyond-distrust-how-americans-view-their-government/

No one with a brain thinks that, so what follows doesn't apply to anyone with considering.

Who cares about anyone that stupid?

Unhinged bullsh!t. I never voted for a Democrat in my life, but I don't think this of them.

I have another scenario for you... Average, everyday folks decide that the loose talk is getting out of hand and insist the police crack down.

More unhinged BS.

BTW, fascists aren't leftwingers.

 

Do you realize, that when I was an undercover Detective, those guys that pretend to be a "bad guy" in order to catch mad dog killers, do you know what some "Men" used to do ?

Troll Times Square and the Greyhound bus and Train Station looking for those young very pretty but gullible girls from Ohio wanting to become movie stars, even just extras on Law & Order etc.... Or waitress jobs until making it "BIG", so these guys pretend to be a Movie Director, take them to a fancy expensive Restaurant, give them a Limo ride etc..... Then give them a tranquilizer, and start them on Heroin, once hooked, these young kids are turned into 2 things, junkies and prostitots, too young to be considered a legal Prostitute.
Most end up dead within a month, but not before turning a Fortune for their Pimp, and one guy was running 30 young kids, both underage girls and boys, hooked on Heroin, and narcotic coerced prositution.

The City of New York kept this out of the News, no sense in Tarnishing the Big Apple now.....
Some Criminals (sarcasm ) are out to kill and enslave your children, some as young as 9 or 10, turn em into Junkies and into Prostitots, not a typo.

No guns mind you, Just false promises of Movie deals, then dope, Heroin.
Prostitution.

The Blood of innocent children.

 

The simple fact of the problem is exactly as the guy from the NRA exemplified it viz. 'It takes a good guy with a gun to stop a bad guy with a gun.' How on earth can anyone dispute that?

 

Crips, Bloods, Vatos Locos, 18 streeters, and various very violents Gangs distributing illegal drugs and promoting Prostitution and burglaries and organized car thefts etc....
They commit drive by shootings and these are the ones responsible for shooting innocents.

 

A simple 'no I've never been to the UK' would have served you better there

 

I have been to the United Kingdom, first time I was only 12 years old, and My uncle gave me a letter of introduction and a charge card, and told me to present the letter and card wherever I went, it had a pretty embossed gold crest with Dragons and crossed spears on old looking parchment and boring content I could neither understand or even bothered to read.

Most People I met there were very nice to Me in London, I am of an ancient family of Spain, in the far distant past, listed in some obscure social registry that nobody pays any mind to anymore.

Howsoever, they were quite gracious and extremely hospitable to me in most places.

A splendid tour of many old well kept buildings with posted signs,
Not open to the Public,
I was asked, if I wished to see them ?

I thought Buckinham Palace absolutely splendid.

# 10 Downing street, may not look so imposing, howsoever, some of the most important decisions affecting the Planet have actually been made there..... pretty nice and homey inside, hot tea and scones.....

I had a really nice time, I kept trying to pay for stuff, to no avail,
I guess was their guest,
I suppose....