If Russia invades Ukraine... global war?

The bullshit never ends.

Ukraine is the armpit of Europe. The Donbass is damn near all Russian, just like Crimea. Kharkiv is almost all Russian too. Most of the country speaks Russian over Ukrainian.

I see you are having a hard time deflecting from the Nazis in Kiev above. They aren't Russian.

 

Ukraine is "armpit" of Europe?

Sorry carsy....that distinction goes to Moldovav or Bessarabia.

When I was Kharkiv...I heard lots Of Ukrainian....sorry to inform you.

I'm not deflecting at all....I see it's easy to get your goat over this....

Almost 80% use Ukrainian in Ukraine carsy....its basically mandated you understand.)

DPR isn't interested in some "Neverussia" you understand....ever since Girkin left town.

I guess bullshit baffles brains with the likes of you.

 

That may be true, Americans may not really no what's going on in Ukraine, but one thing I know is when someone bleats about "Nazis" for several posts, they are almost always full of ****.

 

It may be just a tripwire. How likely is it that Putin wants to actually take a chance of attacking and killing American forces on the ground? Seems that would require a major US escalation.

 

Biden has lost everywhere, from the southern border to Afghanistan to spending to energy, to inflation and everything else.. He's hated. But if American forces in the Ukraine are attacked and Americans start dying, he'll get to rally us all behind him to fight. What an awful guy he is.

 

I've got your 'full of ****' right here buddy. Maybe you don't know this, but the baby blue/yellow flag is Ukraine's flag....surely you can figure the rest out...but probably not.

Mikey, if you're gonna tell me these aren't Nazis, then I guess we know who is full of ****:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion








Warning, at 9:30 in this video is burned bodies in the Odessa genocide state-building fire.

 

These pics look like BLM and Antifa. Are you sure this isn't Baltimore, Minneapolis and Kenosha? Oh.. and Seattle?

 

I don't think Putin is that dumb as to fall into Biden's clumsy trap.

 

I can't for the life of me understand why you think a few cosplayers are a global threat. "Nazi's" have nothing to do with this Ukrainian-Russian conflict and your single minded focus on them makes you either very susceptible to propaganda or a purveyor of it.

 

Proof you can't even click a wiki link. Go ahead and believe your government. Maybe you can help find the WMD's in Iraq, the Russian Consulate in Miami that doesn't exist and the Milosevic genocide 2 courts said didn't happen.

AZOV is an official part of the Ukrainian military. They are self-proclaimed Nazis. Get it?????? Probably not.

You know nothing of this conflict nor Ukraine. You just proved you've never set foot anywhere close.

 

You have not explained why they are relevant. Is the Ukrainian government National Socialist? Should the Russians overthrow the Nazi regime? Should NATO? Should there be an international antifascist movement to overthrow the Ukrainian government? Is the Ukraine a threat to world peace? Are they looking for Lebensraum?

What?

What is your point about this Nazi gibberish?

 

What's going on inside the Ukraine is as important as the lollipop shortage in Sri Lanka. What Russia decides to do or not do, for whatever reason, is what IS important. And their actions or inaction will be based on a much bigger set of circumstances that a little gang of thugs.

 

I'll just knock this out in a 2-fer.

The 'little gang of thugs-nazis' are Special Forces of the Ukrainian government. They have committed ethnic genocide and their common tactic of war with the rebels in the Donbass (who are ethnic Russians) is lobbing bombs randomly in civilian areas. To draw an analogy, they...Ukrainian forces....do the same thing as the muslim terrorists in the Gaza Strip. The terrorists lob rockets into Israel....the Ukrainian military lob mortars into residential areas in the Donbass. Just imagine stepping outside of a local burger joint in downtown Donetsk and having your head blown half off from shrapnel from one of those mortars. I've seen the pictures, not pretty.

So do you want your tax dollars to go to Nazis that commit genocide? Or do you want American troops training Nazis? Well that's what the hell is happening. I have a problem with it, maybe you don't. I've been all over that part of the world many times. I've got a current Russian visa.

When all this first went to hell many years ago, I leaned towards the Ukrainian side because I took the fake news as truth. But then following Reagan's advice of 'trust but verify', I verified. What I found out is that the U.S. has **** the bed in Ukie land and Russia is on the right side of this conflict. And Russia doesn't even consider the conflict in the Donbass as a conflict concerning Russia...because it doesn't. It's an internal conflict within Ukraine, but the catch is that Russia is not going to sit by idly if the Nazis (that maybe you guys are finally figuring out are a real problem) launch a campaign of genocide against the ethnic Russians living in the Donbass region of Ukraine. Over half of the country of 'Ukraine' was part of Russia until Lenin randomly drew some lines on a map and made it a political division of the Soviet Union.

The Minsk Agreements. Go study them. Kiev has not abided by one single condition that they agreed to. If they would, this conflict would be over. But the Ukrainians are playing us for fools and instead of resolving the conflict peacefully, they stick their hands out for welfare from US taxpayers...and they've received billions since this started....and by not resolving the conflict they (the extremists running Kiev) stay in power because they are preventing anyone in the conflict areas from voting....in other words...they are preventing ethnic Russians from voting.

And you ask if Ukraine is a threat to world peace? Well hell yeah they are. The little armpit welfare state is playing us against Russia to line their pockets that may well lead to a major war. Is Ukraine worth that? Are the little Nazis worth that? Of course not. But if NATO (AKA the US) moves into Ukraine....and Ukraine will do anything for a dollar since it's all dispersed through corruption....you can bet your ass Russia will hit. 5 NATO expansions East and the next will cause a major war...over a country not worth it. If you're good with that, I pity you.

 

I'm mainly interested in the health and safety of America. Heck, we can't even keep Chicago safe.
I'll watch what Russia does because it effects America. The rest is a local problem.

 

You misunderstand my position on the Ukrainian-Russian conflict: It's not really any of our business. However there are significant interests in both the US and the EU who want to make it our business and they have the perfect US administration in place to carry out their will. However trying to pin this on "Nazi's" is beyond stupid, and makes me suspect your true intentions and goals on this. That sounds like the talk of a Russian bot more than a North American or European who is simply interested in this conflict.

 

Over Ukraine? Why?

Nah, - sanctions will suffice.

 

I'm seriously tired of your drivel...why don't you get off your lazy ass and go see the situation for yourself. If you knew anything about Kiev...and you certainly don't...because if you did then you'd understand the significance of the pictures I posted. I'm not going to hold your hand, but don't come at me and then crawfish after you figured out you stepped in something and are looking to save face with bullshit bot crap, stupid comments, and such.

 

And what would I see if I went to Kiev and saw the situation for myself? The Nazi threat? That has been your one consistent note in this thread but you've never explained what it has to do with anything. I assume you are on the side of the Russians and want them to put down this nest of Nazi's, but you've never been clear what you are even arguing for other than some vagueness about Nazi's. Why don't you explain how you want NATO to handle this Nazi-Ukraine-Russia conflict?

 

*******n man, what is your problem?? If you want to come in 'Johnny come lately' and ramble, do it with someone else. I notice you can't be bothered clicking on a wiki link that clearly tells what AZOV is (A3OB in Cyrillic....note the flags, duh). When ****ing nazis are an official part of the Ukrainian military and they have a history of committing genocide, I don't think it's such a great idea for NATO, i.e. the USA, to arm and fund them. Capiche?!! NATO needs to stay the **** out of that conflict and as a matter of fact, NATO needs to be dissolved because it's just a welfare system for pathetic European countries.

What the hell you want, WW3?

Obama armed ISIS in Syria, I guess you were good with that too?

****ing stupid.

 

I agree. A gang in the Ukraine that fashions itself as Nazi's is unpleasant but hardly has anything to do with me in Texas. Chicago, now, may have a problem. I understand there are still a few self-styled Nazi's there.

 

I specifically stated in post #63 that the Ukraine-Russia conflict is none of our business, so I'm unclear how we go to that, to you saying I want WW3. Nor do I get why you would make an off topic conclusion that I favored Obama arming ISIS. Perhaps you could start your own thread on that, or better yet, just search history and see what everyone in this thread said about it at the time.

In any case, you should thank me for finally getting you to nail down where exactly you are in the conflict. I took your incoherence and gave it meaning.

 

I can't help it if you can't read nor do you have any idea of what the situation actually is in Ukraine.

 

According to you, the situation is: NAZI'S!

 

Technically the invasion of Ukraine has been ongoing since 2014. But if Russia expands their invasion I think we should keep giving weapons to Ukraine so they can keep defending themselves. Perhaps we could supply more potent weapons to Ukraine if we can think of anything that would be useful for their situation.

We should also beef up our forces in the eastern EU, so that we will be better prepared to resist any Russian aggression against the EU.

If we are developing any long range offensive missiles, it would be useful to station them in Europe once we have them. I've heard some stuff about us developing new long range conventional missiles, but I haven't heard anything concrete, so I don't know if they are actually being pursued or not.

The KGB is.

Russia always vilifies the nations that they invade.

For starters they are being falsely accused of being Nazis.

 

Nonsense. The only reason Russia might end up destroyed is because they keep attacking other countries.

There is no such strategy.

Poland is a NATO member because Poland asked to join so they could be protected from Russian aggression.

Ukraine is asking to join NATO because they too want to be protected from Russian aggression.