If Trump burned everybody alive who didn't vote for him, would you then condemn him?

What's even more foolish is having faith in a magic slave-approving, torture approving, women-hating, gay-hating, invisible man ("god") who lives up in a magic invisible kingdom, with gates, to keep out who the f*** knows(!), up in the sky!

 

So you reject the science of psychology and claim to know better than scientists do?

How are you any different from a theist who rejects what geologists say?

 

It would not have failed. It's not perfect, no, but the best form of gov't, of course. Jesus was a fool (or at least not divine/god) for not knowing that. He knew where we went when we died, but not that free representative republics are not the best form of gov't!!?? That's just crazy. He also thought that mustard seeds were the smallest seeds....he was a fool.

 

Psychology is not as advanced as I'd hope, at least not now.....200 years from now it will be far better, I hope. Science, like "Jesus", is not perfect.

 

Good point. Like with Jesus, we should take down a lot of those statues.
Our Founding Fathers got a lot of stuff wrong. Can we agree that so did Jesus, Ronstar?

 

It absolutely would have failed. You would have had an illiterate populace voting for politicians who have no means of representing the people they were elected by because communication speeds are too slow and distances are too far.

Representative republics are the best form of government WITH OUR CURRENT TECHNOLOGY AND CULTURAL CONDITIONS. A real modern secular humanist would understand that technological and cultural conditions change. But you aren’t one, so I’m not surprised you don’t understand that.

 

So just like the Theists you insult, when science doesn’t conform to your worldview, you reject it.

 

You need more faith in humanity. Jesus saying that we are all "sinners", or "evil"/"wicked" (in the verse right before the Golden Rule) has tainted our nation's faith in humanity, obviously. The hatred that the Bible teaches towards non-believers (that's 70% of humanity!) will be hard to overcome, but we can do it.

 

And there is part of the foolishness. Believing crap like that is just irrational. To make such an argument while ignoring the profound influence Christianity has had on mankind is having ones head in the sand.

 

we should rip down the statues of Jefferson, Madison, Washington, Franklin.

they all supported human slavery.

 

Psychology is certainly not as "settled" as some other science is, unfortunately. I don't blindly follow the scientific dogma, like you imply I must - unlike Christians (who won't remove the parts that say to kill gays in the Bible) I can think for myself.

 

It has nothing to do with “faith”. The technology and cultural conditions necessary for a representative republic to function didn’t exist at the time and most of them wouldn’t for centuries.

 

I wouldn't oppose that, but we also don't claim they are perfect - unlike Jesus and Mohammad, who are considered perfect by their followers.

 

Just like the theists you hypocritically insult when they say Geology “isn’t settled”.

 

of course i am.

 

It's NOT "settled" - because unlike religion, it can easily, in a heart-beat, grow and improve it's texts.....but try going to, say, the evil Pope Francis and getting that psycho to simply remove the part of the Bible that says to kill gays....ha(!), good luck with that - he's too evil to do that. He's also an intellectual coward.

 

Dang HUMBLE too!
I looked in the dictionary under the word "humility" and there was a picture of Ronstar!

 

I think we can agree that Jesus was a POS when in Revelation he said that people are not allowed to change the Bible, correct?

 

So I ask again, how do you have a successful representative republic in an area the size of the Roman Empire when you have a 99.5% illiterate populace with zero education and it takes months for a representative to travel from the capital to where their constituents live (and vice verse for messengers)?

How does that not almost immediately turn into an authoritarian oligarchy?

 

So at least we agree that TODAY it would be wonderful if Jesus would simply snap his allegedly all-powerful fingers and come down and teach us TODAY that free representative republics are what's the best form of government. Right, Q?

 

Jesus didn’t say anything in Revelation. He’d been dead for more than a century by the time it was written.

 

Jesus wasn’t all powerful so not going to treat your fantasy as anything other than that.

 

I like how you look at all the angles, but if 5th century Athenians can have the start of democracy then I'd think that others could have done it eventually as well.

 

calling Jesus a "piece of ****" is a great way to get Theists to listen to and respect your Secular beliefs.

LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!

 

Athens was a tiny city state and their “democracy” only gave citizenship rights to about 5% of the population. It was an oligarchy and for the vast majority of its people would have looked at at home in the PRC.