If Trump gets state results thrown out, Biden doesn't need 270

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  1. StillBlue

    StillBlue Well-Known Member

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    It is, in fact, so.
    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/3/5
    Only Wisconsin missed the deadline.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    if the results of a state are thrown out, their Electors get subtracted from 538.

    this is a fact
     
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    That is from the Texas complaint. Their stated goal is to nullify the entire election.
     
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    1. There is no law anywhere that SCOTUS cannot overturn. 2. Congress can challenge electoral college votes and can alter them, though a very messy and problematic process. The only thing SCOTUS cannot overturn is the constitution which says only that the state legislatures decide how elections are done and how electors are chosen. When it comes to the law there is no 100% certainty.
     
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    They'd have to rule the statute unconstitutional and that is not before them.
    No, there is no provision allowing congress to reject any vote by an elector in place by the safe harbor day. In fact it specifically says that they must accept their votes and no others. Only Wisconsin failed to meet the safe harbor deadline. Their electors can be rejected by Congress but if it did expect a new party to replace the Republican party in Wisconsin.
     
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    Why are you still making these threads? Biden won. It's over. Democrats pulled off the heist of the century. This is gonna make a way better movie than the Italian Job and Ocean's 11. Maybe I will switch to democrats since they are smart enough to pull this off. Nice Job!
     
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    The constitutional scenario would be that SCOTUS invalidates the electors and the state legislatures pick new electors. My thought is, if that happens, the states would still pick the same electors but the constitutional issues would be addressed which is important for future elections.
     
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    Meh, that is your opinion.
     
  10. Ronstar

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    They are wrong on multiple points.

    MI, WI, PA and GA have a total of 62 electoral votes not 72.

    If those 62 electoral votes are removed from 538, only 238 electoral votes are required to win the election and Biden will have 244.

    270 is based on all 50 states having their elections certified and their electors allowed to vote. Trump is seeking to have the electoral votes of four states nullified.
     
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    It is the professional view of Fox news legal expert Alan Dershowitz. Go ahead and call him a liar.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You are incorrect. Congress can vote to reject the votes of certain electors, but both houses of Congress must approve. Fat Chance seeing that happen unless something extreme goes on
     
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    Technically they can rule that a state's election violated state law or its constitution or the US Constitution, which at least Georgia and Pennsylvania did, and make the federal procedures law moot, not unconstitutional.

    Objections by congress to the vote of electors can be made according to federal, to wit: " Upon such reading of any such certificate or paper, the President of the Senate shall call for objections, if any. Every objection shall be made in writing, and shall state clearly and concisely, and without argument, the ground thereof..........." This is highly limited and as I said very problematic.
     

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