if wages are abolished, then why bother working?

why work if there are no wages?

so, how does this socialist idea actually pan out in the real world?

perhaps a credit system of say about 1000USD per month for everyone working, and maybe 200 for the unemployed, whatever the job?

That could work I reckon

 

Nope. Some jobs are more difficult, dangerous, require more training or special skills to carry out. If you don't incentivize appropriately, people won't do the jobs that require extra training or that are dangerous. You also have to contend with black markets popping up around jobs that have a higher demand or which require special skills.

 

I propose to give students 1000/month plus free training for those specialized jobs - how about that?

Obviously these training courses would only be available to those who could pass an aptitude test

 

Socialism doesn't argue that there should be no wages.

 

i beleive thats a munter idea, not a socialist idea.

 

Why are you trying to build a Corvette out of and old rusted VW bug?

 

I thought hardcore socialism called for the abolition of wages

so no wages = no exploitation, right? the land of milk and honey and everyone will just get along, maybe even share wives, that kind of thing - sounds good

 

People wouldn't work. That's why socialism is great right up until the money runs out. Would you clean windows on skyscrapers for the same wage as burger flipper? I wouldn't.

 

MSNBC is already using the old Birther tactic to pressure guests and
regulars about if they support a minimum wage hike.
Early this week on - Morning Joe - I believe Robot head Joe was off on
assignment { more like just off,in the head especially,and face of course with
those little shifty robot beady eyes } the Mika was in charge.She ended a
segment by going aroud the table and quickly asking the regulars and guests
about support of Minimum wage.And Regular { more like irregular RHINO }
Michael Steele { Former Lieutenant Governor of Maryland and First African
American Republican National Committee chairman }. More like First
African American republican sellout and turncoat.But then there's the
Guiness world champ in the form of a General A$$ { Colin Powell }.
Steele quickly agreed and nodded head w/o hesitation that the
Minimum wage needs to raised to $ 15 .What a dope.Plays right into the
Liberals games.Can't even defend the right thing to do.Which is to
first talk about jobs,Not any wage hike.Notice how these drat Dimocrats
are back to never talking jobs.They only talk Jobs,when it's politically expedient.
Imagine if this were Bush as president and we had First quarter growth {revised } of
-0.1%The roar would simply be insurmountable.
Remember back in 2005 when Pelosi needed a talking pt.She kept hamerring Bush
for his Croynism and Economy. At that time Unemployment was under 5% and
Growth was around 3-4 %.I mean,Get real folks.
We're all being played for Dupes.
Even CNN had the headlines ... ' A perfect GDP report '.
The economy shook off Hurricane Katrina and just about every other obstacle
in the 3rd quarter,growing at the fastest rate in a year and a half.
The growth rate or GDP { 4.3% revised } came without any troubling signs of Inflation.
Dated { Nov. 30th, 2005 }.

 

At the end of the day, all economic systems are accountable to production. If you haven't increased the amount being produced then you're just moving capital around. Which is exactly what government ends up doing.

 

Plus there's a huge scam operating in the lurch.Workers can become unemployed and
collect extended Unemployment checks { what More Marxist way to collapse a
Capitalist Country } and then get or do part time work under the table.
That's why a lotta workers want menial labor to be payed in cash.
So as not to leave any paper trail. What used to be SOP for the Rich when
paying their maids or cleaning ladies.

 

The more relevant question would be:

"if wage differentials are abolished, then why bother working?"

 

Ours is THE Only Industrialized nation that can actually print as much money
as they want.or the practice under Obama of QE { Quantitative Easing } to the tune
of $ 86 Billion a month.All this talk that the VA doesn't have enough money in
the budget is nonsense.Just a budget of around $ 150 Billion is all.
THE EU is now adopting a very backward strategy of Negative Interest
meaning any money a person has in their accounts will not collect any interest.
But have to pay out interest for the priviledge of having money in the Bank.

 

Cuba has no wage differential. they have a maximum wage law.

As a result, nobody does anything and everybody is hungry.

 

The left in the person of Rep. Pelosi is already bragging that thanks to the Democrats deadbeats are no longer burdened with the drudgery of having to work. So, why are we having this discussion?

 

Plus Kooba { Cuba } has universal healthcare.And it really sucks like their
vehicles.Yet that dint stop donut boy Michael Moore from lauding all over
the place how great a single payer system like Cuba is.
Maybe some day we'll be able to test Burger Boys theory.See if he heads
to Cuba in the event of illness.
Speaking of which ... how is Castro doing.Is the guy on ice by now.
There's no excuse for Fidelo.He was educated by the Jesuits.No finer and
more disciplined bunch than the Jesuits.

 

Indeed the Jesuits are known for excellence in education. They run Georgetown University among others.

Fidel's big problem was he couldn't get the breaking ball into the strike zone.

 

The idea behind socialism is that everyone does the same amount of work for an equal share of the wealth. If you don't work, by your own choice, you get nothing. Those who can't work, because of injury or sickness are taken care of, but the ones who simply refuse to work are left to starve. That is socialism in it's simplest form. However, pure socialism only works on the small scale. You can't run a economy on it. You need a mixed economy, with at least some capitalism to promote competition.

 

hmm

so, sitting in an ivory tower watching the stock ticker is more dangerous that Coast Guard search and rescue, or the guy trapping alligators?

They all put on their pants each day so they should be paid the same. Clearly, flocks of people would want to pump out sewers or clean up vomit if they knew that they would be paid the same as a toll taker. By removing the driver of wanting to succeed, to get things, to provide comfort for your family, it would be easier to reach social equality.

 

you thought wrong.

 

What "socialist" idea says pay no wages?

Never heard of that one. Smelling straw ...

 

I was answering his question, not your imaginary one, but you're still wrong. People would not be eager to clean out the sewers for the same wage as people who sit in a toll booth.

 

if every job was paid exactly the same, then people would need not worry about "climbing the ladder" or getting all stressed out. The concept of "chasing a sales lead" would no longer be valid as there would be no reason to get all aggressive. We would achieve true equality for all.

We would be in Utopia

 

All the socialists would have to do is kill all the people who want to climb the ladder, and since we evolve as living creatures, they'd never run out of people to kill.

 

Under my system, you would be allocated your job based on skills - and there would be some kind of rotation system to instill some fairness into the system. No work, no pay.

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you would need to work in order to eat, that's why

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That's rather a bland sweeping statement, and are you trying to say you've never smoked a fine Cuban cigar? that's right, they are the best in el mundo, all thanks to Fidel