If YOUR religion lead the world (by far) in terrorism, would you work to improve it?

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  1. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    That is your interpretation. Christians overtly work to turn the world to Christianity, too. At various times that effort included war.

    It reallyy makes no sense for you to interpret their ancient writings, some of which was written during a period of war waged against Islam, and then for you to suggest you know their religion. If you want to know Islam,you need to ask Islam.

    What you are doing is like quoting from the terrorism of Joshua at Jericho or of the slaughter of the midianites and then claiming that is modern Christianity (or Jusaism).
     
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    Guno Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    so called religious texts are texts made by man to explain his views of the world at that time and are based on mythology

    blasphemy is a nonsense word and concept
     
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    Our analysis has to go deeper than noting that two words screamed by a suicide sound like they come from Islam.

    Let's remember that there are 1.6B Muslims and a few tens of thousands of ISIS - in other words, 0%. It makes no sense to suggest that the 0% speaks for Islam.

    Let's remember we were attacked by OBL/AQ on 911. He stated his motivations very clearly - the need to overthrow or radically change the corrupt and despotic regime in Saudi Arabia and the inability to do that during the major US military presence and US support. He used US support for Israel's attrocities as further motivation in recruiting. These are secular issues - not religion.
     
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    So then to be intellectually consistent you condemn CHRISTIANITY as well, correct?
     
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    FreedomSeeker Well-Known Member

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    I asked a Nazi about Nazism, and he said "OF COURSE it's a peaceful belief system"....I asked a Muslim about Islam and got the very same response. Hmmmmm.
     
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    You are under the false impression that even MOST Muslims are moderate. You couldn't be farther from the truth:

    83% of Pakistanis support stoning adulterers
    78% of Pakistanis support killing apostates
    http://www.realcourage.org/2009/08/pakistan-78-percent-call-for-apostate-deaths/

    NOP Research: 68% of British Muslims support the arrest and prosecution of anyone who insults Islam;
    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/14/opinion/main1893879.shtml&date=2011-04-06
    http://www.webcitation.org/5xkMGAEvY

    MacDonald Laurier Institute: 62% of Muslims want Sharia in Canada (15% say make it mandatory)
    http://www.torontosun.com/2011/11/01/strong-support-for-shariah-in-canada
    http://www.macdonaldlaurier.ca/much...new-study-of-muslim-public-opinion-in-canada/

    Islam, Human Rights and Public Opinion (Durie refers to 2006 poll): 58% of Indonesians believe adulterers should be stoned to death.
    https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/qed/2016/08/slaughter-silence-open-secret/

    World Public Opinion: 81% of Egyptians want strict Sharia imposed in every Islamic country
    76% of Pakistanis want strict Sharia imposed in every Islamic country
    49% (plurality) of Indonesians want strict Sharia imposed in every Islamic country
    76% of Moroccans want strict Sharia imposed in every Islamic country
    http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/feb09/STARTII_Feb09_rpt.pdf

    World Public Opinion: 64% of Egyptians said it was “very important for the government” to “apply traditional punishments for crimes such as stoning adulterers.”
    http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/feb09/STARTII_Feb09_rpt.pdf

    Pew Research (2010): 77% of Egyptian Muslims favor floggings and amputation
    58% of Jordanian Muslims favor floggings and amputation
    82% of Pakistanis favor floggings and amputation
    65% of Nigerian Muslims favor floggings and amputation
    http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the-world-divided-on-hamas-and-hezbollah/

    Pew Research (2010): 82% of Egyptian Muslims favor stoning adulterers
    70% of Jordanian Muslims favor stoning adulterers
    82% of Pakistanis favor stoning adulterers
    56% of Nigerian Muslims favor stoning adulterers
    http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the-world-divided-on-hamas-and-hezbollah/

    Pew Research (2013): 72% of Indonesians want Sharia to be law of the land
    http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/news/seventy-two-percent-of-indonesians-favor-shariah-law-pew-forum/

    Pew Research (2013): 81% of South Asian Muslims and 57% of Egyptians support amputating limbs for theft.
    http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFil...ims-religion-politics-society-full-report.pdf

    Pew Research (2013): According to an interpretation of this study, approximately 45% of Sharia supporters surveyed disagreed with the idea that Islamic law should apply only to Muslims.
    http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFil...ims-religion-politics-society-full-report.pdf

    Economist (Pew 2013): 74% who favor Islamic law in Egypt say it should apply to non-Muslims as well.
    http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2013/04/daily-chart-20?fsrc=scn/tw/te/dc/Shariadolikeit

    WZB Berlin Social Science Center: 65% of Muslims in Europe say Sharia is more important than the law of the country they live in.
    http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4092/europe-islamic-fundamentalism

    The Polling Company CSP Poll (2015): 51% of Muslim-Americans say that Muslims should have the choice of being judged by Sharia courts rather than courts of the United States (39% disagree).
    http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy....nline-Survey-of-Muslims-Topline-Poll-Data.pdf

    2015 (Jyllands Posten): 77% of Muslims in Denmark believe the Quran's instructions should be 'fully appied'.
    http://www.thelocal.dk/20151013/danish-muslims-more-devout-than-in-years-past

    2015 (Jyllands Postn): Only 53% of Danish Muslims believe Danish law should be based on the consitution and not the Quran.
    http://www.thelocal.dk/20151019/forty-percent-danish-muslims-wants-quran-based-laws

    Pew Research (2016): A majority of Muslims in 10 countries favor basing laws on the Quran (inc. Pakistan, Pal. Auth, Malaysia, Jordan, Senegal, Nigeria, Indonesia, Lebanon and Turkey). Educated Muslims also favored Sharia, including 55% in 'secular Turkey'.
    http://www.pewglobal.org/2016/04/27/the-divide-over-islam-and-national-laws-in-the-muslim-world/
    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2016/04/majority_of_educated_muslims_abroad_still_favor
    _imposition_of_sharia_law.html

    Arab Observatory of Religions and Freedom (2016): 79% of Libyans believe Sharia should be the sole source of legislation, as do 63% in Algeria and 60% in Morocco.
    http://www.breitbart.com/london/201...ntries-providing-major-source-of-eu-migrants/

    Africa Jeune - Arab Observatory of Religions and Freedom (2016): Most Muslims in North Africa say they are Muslim first and citizens second. This is a principle source for migrants to Europe.
    http://www.breitbart.com/london/201...ntries-providing-major-source-of-eu-migrants/

    University of Munster Study (2016):. 73% say that books and movies which offend religion should be banned.
    http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/8321/germany-turks-integration

    Syarif Hidayatullah State University Study (2017): 80% of Islamic education teachers favor enforcement of Sharia (in Indonesia); 89% say non-Sunni religious minorities "should not be accomodated" in Indonesia.
    http://www.voanews.com/a/majority-o...-in-indonesia-support-sharia-law/3652387.html

    Gallup Pakistan & Gilani Research (2017): 67% of Pakistanis want Sharia as the only law of the land (up from 51% in 2010); Only 5% said that Sharia should not be imposed.
    https://www.wionews.com/south-asia/two-out-of-three-pakistanis-favour-sharia-survey-16362
     
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    supaskip is trying to tacitly apologize for blasphemy.
     
  8. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    I am not an advocate of Christianity.

    However, i have pushed for more rational approaches to religion - more rational than searching the bible for percieved inconsistencies not central to the religion, for example.
     
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    And, a Christian or religious Jew would say the same.

    So, bfd.
     
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    Yes, those countries are socially snd politically backward by our standards, favoring greater adherence to biblical law.

    On the other hand, they would see us as apostate for failing to follow the bible and presuming to choose leadership that is secular - a clear slap in the face of god.

    What is your point?

    Note that we have courts in the US where Sharia law is followed when the parties agree and the constitution is not infringed.
     
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    Same in the UK,. also Beth Guen courts for the Jews.
    And Judge Rinder has a court too. Kind of like Judge Judy.

    All of the Muslims I meet are without exception moderate. But then they would be, this is a moderate and peaceful society.

    The problem with trying to brand Muslims as terrorists is other posters note, it is equally true of Christians, and it lumps Afghan Mujahideens and 9/11 bombers in together with Human rights lawyers and London Mayors. Bit childish really.

    Equally both the Queen and the IRA and FARC and even the NAZI's are Christian. Also Jesus.
     
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