I'm a progressive I'm also pro life, abortion rights are doomed, give up the fight.

Only now it has been renamed as Malice in Blunderland!

 

Very apt...

 

No which one. The kids would have to tell a teacher first that they were being treated meanly by mom or dad. Then the teacher tells the police.

 

I can't wait to hear how you plan on accomplishing that!

 

"""Teacher, teacher, Dad made me eat carrots! he's so mean!"


...and teacher calls the police!


Then the kids are taken away and the taxpayers pay YOU to foster them.


HOW MANY do you have? How many do you want?

 

Well foster age is 25 but I'll foster as many as I can when I become old enough. 10 kids is my max

 

so your anti-choice but support abortion?

 

Oh, I'm sure you will

Why only ten? Ya know if abortion is banned there will be thousands more kids.

How do you think taxpayers will feel about footing the bill for all these "precious lives" ?....seems Repubs don't like their taxes raised for anything....


Are you aware that it takes about $250,000 to raise a kid?


Who's going to help you with day to day care??

 

If the system is fixed everyone will have a home. Its not that hard, of course if people knew how to be adults and didn't just blame "I was never taught about sex" as an excuse then maybe we would not have this issue in the first place.

Republican is a dying breed so who cares about what they want from government LOL, Most people are okay with paying taxes if it goes for something good

Yeah over 18 years not 10K-50K all at once. Again you get about 600 per month per child in foster.

Wife hopefullly LOL since I am hoping to have Biological kids by 25 anyway. If not just mayself, I can handle parenting alone. If they require 2 parents to foster then Ill find someone who is willing to liberally co parent. Yes they have a site for that LOL (co parenting instead of marriage)

 

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LOL! That is the biggest "IF" ever …

What system is it that you think will be "fixed" ?

HOW will it be fixed?

Adults have sex.

Uh, no the Republicans are still here and taxpayers don't like their taxes raised..., especially righty taxpayers who fight anything that aids children like SNAP, WIC, Welfare...they will NOT , and have NOT, eagerly raised taxes to aid children.

It is still $250 k for 18 years and as those years advance the cost will go up...

So biological kids and ten extra....good to know you'll be a billionaire by that time

Oh? Many righties insist NO child can be raised by a single parent...

Gee, now all ya have to do is find thousands MORE people who feel exactly the way you do to take care of all those thousands of children born because some people don't think women have a right to their own bodies...

Good luck....

 

a week old zygote is not a person

 

Heck an 9 month fetus is not a person either.

 

Oh? How do Mexican families have so many children then? Apparently they've figured out something that we haven't.
Why not pay them to take these extra kids?

 

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DUHHHHH, it doesn't cost them much to HAVE kids.

If a child is RAISED in the US it costs over $250,000. It doesn't cost $250,000 to HAVE one.


See, the word "raise" is different from the word "have"....




Your ""Why not pay them to take these extra kids?""


...is so bizarre and silly ….did you actually mean that crap seriously.

 

after a child is really born, the right is like, your own your own, should not of had a child if you can not afford to raise them

unless it's a law forcing their religion on your children, they would be all for that

 

That is not freedom. Abortion also does irreparable damage to her physically, psychologically, and emotionally.

 

Baloney.....It may but it also frees her from stress and decreases physical damage (from pregnancy) and does not give all women psychological and emotional problems.


Pregnancy leaves PERMANENT physical damage and can also be damaging psychologically and emotionally.



A woman having an abortion retains the right to her own body. The government forcing her to abort OR GESTATE is slavery.


Anyway ya look at it it is the woman's right to CHOOSE.

 

Laws are legislated morality. Something you say can't be done is how laws work. You can't rape your wife. You can't own a slave. Things that at one time were not illegal and at one time husbands had a right to rape their wives and a slave did not have a right to be free. The founding fathers have nothing to do with it. It is social evolution.

Now you say "In essence the right of a child to not be abused ALWAYS existed and it was ONLY because people continued to abuse them that the need arose to establish punishments for those who engage in child abuse." The essence of what I had already said and you called it "Complete and utter nonsense!" (good counter argument).
But I do not completely agree rights ALWAYS existed. Rights have changed and vary over time. Looking back now we can say a slave had a right to be free but they had no such right at the time. That right did not exist.

The hard question you avoided was "Is the fetus a living thing?" Can it feel pain. If it can it can be tortured. It has a right not to be abused.
"There is no LEGAL way to grant a fetus rights WITHOUT violating the rights of the woman concerned." Not true, while the woman's rights outweigh the fetus', the fetus has a right not to be abused by the woman's addictions, alcoholism, smoking for example.

 

Good point, "Prohibition never works" Slavery prohibition works.

 

who's choice is it to decide what's sacred... a child begins puberty, becomes curious, has intercourse, becomes pregnant... are you suggesting that she must deliver the fetus? as a punishment? what of the fetus/unborn? shall they be subject to a life of abuse because the 'parent' never wanted them but was forced to raise 'it'...

 

Yes they are forced to carry to term unless it will kill them. Most people will learn to love the child.

 

how very sanctimonious , what's the punishment for the 'impregnator' (male) ...

 

yeah but a 9-month old fetus is viable outside of the womb.

a 1 week old zygote? nope.

 

Being forced to stay with that child for 18 years or face prison time.