I'm now uncertain if I want a GOP Senate or Dem

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by CenterField, Dec 6, 2020.

  1. Junkieturtle

    Junkieturtle Well-Known Member Donor

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    I bet he's not a true Scotsman either!
     
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    I agree except the part about the chiropractor. I had a neighbor once who was this japanese girl. Tiny but with very talented feet.

    Yes I'm being frivolous simply because there's so much hate and disinformation being spread here. It's a conditioned response as I live in an area of extreme poverty in Africa and dark humor is required for sanity. Take my apologies for what they're worth. But trust me never turn down an offer from a Japanese girl to make you feel better.
     
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    i'd probably prefer a Japanese guy, with talent, who wants to make me feel better but that is another thread!
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Think you are on a different page mate .. my post post had nothing to do with the election. or mail in voting so have no idea what you are referring to ?
     
  5. garyd

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    Yeah right. Trump got more votes in every Demographic in every district in every part of the country except for big cities and got more vo Republicans gained seats in the house in almost every state in the union, almost erasing the Democrat majority. In Georgia they came within fractions of a percentage of retaining one seat outright which would have clinched the Republican. Yet somehow were supposed to believe that Biden got more ligitimate votes than Trump Hillary or Obama.
     
  6. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    What are you referring to, you wrote:

    How many votes do we get where Red is 100% on one side and Blue 100% on the other. It is not that this didn't happen before but it happens far more often now.

    Where has there been 100% on either side?
     
  7. Patricio Da Silva

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    land does not vote. People do. A person in a city is just as much of a person is in a rural area.

    Biden got 6 or more million LEGITIMATE votes than Trump did. GA was recounted THREE TIMES, the election was administered by the GA Sec of State, A REPUBLICAN who publicly rebuked Trump.

    Republicans have gerrymandered all of their districts to their advantage, they can't win unless they cheat.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Was referring to votes in congress - on various bills and so forth .. how so often we get very few votes in the middle - everything is down completely partisan lines way too often ..
     
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    The point would be sir that the results in the cities are hugely at odds with the results everywhere else. More than indicating some sort of fraudulent activity going on.
     
  10. Patricio Da Silva

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    This started happening a lot when:

    1. The removed the requirement to stand before the floor and physically run out the clock on filibusters.
    2. They removed earmarks from the bill making process. Earmarks were the grease that allowed bills to get passed.
    Removing earmarks removed incentives to vote on bills. Bills are passed, largely, on horsetrading via earmarks.
    now, a senator has no incentive to pass your bill, if you are from an opposing party. Before, you'd say, to your fellow across the aisle, okay, I'll let you add your 'community theatre project for your constituents' appended to the bill if you give me your vote. That is how bills got done, via give and take. I know, it seems wrong, and it is that fact which gave rise to the famous adage, 'there are two things which a citizen should not witness, how sausages are made and how a law is passed'. nevertheless, things came to a halt when they were disbanded. I'm just saying, let's be practical, it's more important to get things done.

    Solution is simply to restore to filibuster to it's former glory ( which, because they will be much harder and harder to find someone to volunteer and stand and talk at a podium for hours, thus there will be fewer of them ) and restore the earmark process.
     
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  11. Patricio Da Silva

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    No, the reason is that urban areas are normally democrat strongholds as blacks, which live mostly in urban areas, vote heavily for democrats. It's been that way since the Civil Rights bill. There is zero logic to your statement.
     
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    But that's exactly the point Trump got better than 10 percent of the African American vote every where but apparently cities that should have sunk Biden like the Titanic he also did much better among Hispanics than 2016 and still lost.
     
  13. Patricio Da Silva

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    That make perfect sense, rural areas, black or white, tend to vote for Trump, and I would expect more blacks in rural areas to vote for him. Bush got 40% of the Hispanic vote, did Trump do better than that?
     
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    I like your post - and particularly your adage - and agree that restoring the filibuster is a good idea.

    This however does not explain this uber partisanship - It should not be like this. Just because one is a Red Congressman for example - does not mean 100% of them should be in agreement over abortion. I get that sticking together is "sometimes" important - over-riding perhaps some smaller concession - but not for major issues of Law and Justice. There should way more internal dissent were this a functional system.

    So dissent is being stifled somehow - and this is a clue for us to chew on.
     
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    Aside from the rabid appeal to authority/title - Maddow is a shill for the Establishment - as are all our National Enquirer headliners these days - on both sides of the fence - shamelessly propping up the establishment narratives and necessary illusions.

    Her "Sins of Omission" in relation reporting on Syria were egregious. Maddow - as did almost all our media pundits fails to mention key elements that would give perspective - and we will get to specific examples - but in general - to be able to sit in Maddow's seat - you have already sold a part of your soul.

    This does not mean her reporting is all bad by any stretch - but - to put her on the pedestal you have - is unwarranted and flawed thinking.

    Did Maddow manage not to mention that Obama led a coalition of nations to support, supply, and arm radical Islamist Jihadists - including Al Qaeda and ISIS ? Indeed she did.

    Did Maddow challenge Obama's "Moderate Rebel Lie" ?

    and there are many more examples - just in this conflict alone.
     
  16. Patricio Da Silva

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    The left and right will never agree on abortion, but, that being said....

    The 'uber partisanship' the seed that grew to fruition of that tree was planted when Reagan repealed the Fairness Doctrine, this paved the way for 24/7 AM hate radio, where guys like Limbaugh could spew hate-the-other-party for 3 hours per day, same goes for Hannity, Dobbs, and others, and the doctrine would have prevented them from doing this unchallenged. This gradually polarized the landscape ( if you get one sided story every day of the week, for years....) you wind up with the T party, polarization, then add to the mix removal of ear marks and make opposition easier with the new EZ filibuster, then you get grid lock, more constituent dissatisfaction and this creates a huge void, one for which provides a ripe opportunity for a master mind manipulator narcissist OPPORTUNIST con man, and who might that be? Donald Trump. There is a through line from Reagan, whose philosophy was motivated by neoliberal economists such as Milton Friedman ( deregulate everything ) to the polarization of now.

    Our only hope is to recognize the problem started with the adaptation of neoliberal ideas ( accelerated with Reagan, and continued with almost every president since then, and Clinton did this, as well ) and we must rid society of it, for neoliberalism is the cancer, the hidden one that is ruining the country This is not to say the opposite is better, either, but in my view, the pendulum rests in the center. An optimumly regulated mixed economy is best.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism
     
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    It is natural for right leaning news sources and left leaning news sources to focus on news which supports there side of the fence.

    Having said that, the issue is the reliability of reportage.

    Now, with that in mind, if you have any issue with Maddow's reportage, provide a link and your argument against.

    I would prefer not to traffic in generalities and vacuous claims, if it can be avoided.
     
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    My opinion is you will regret your wish when Biden steps down and Harris and her leftist extremists take power.
     
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    LOL. A politician who has been seeking the presidency for 35 years is not going to give it up.

    Too funny.
     
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    I have voted R many times at the State level. Never at the pres level. Only 2X for D at the pres level.
    I don't like either party.

    Mostly these days, my vote is to counter the party in power.
    I also tend to vote against incumbents as of late. Basically, trying to term limit them
    There should never be a career politician.
     
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    There hasn't been a real filibuster since 1992 or something like that.
    A threat of filibuster is NOT a real filibuster.
     
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    OK - extremist talk radio jocks are perhaps a contributing factor on the right - but how do we get from there to CNN taking up the charge - who now do the same as you describe - the "Most Trusted Source in News" changing into the National Enquirer ..
     
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    I'm with you, here. I normally want to see the opposing party take over Congress, or at least be close, but it's difficult to find any redeeming value in the GOP right now. They need to figure out something to stand for other than Trump worship. Still, I don't want Biden having a rubber stamp.
     
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    Nothing vacuous or general about my claim .. and how can a link be provided for something Maddow did not say ?

    What part of the "Sin of Omission" is not clear to you. What part of Obama was complicit in massive war crimes and crimes against humanity is not clear to you .. and last .. what part of "Rachel left this out of her Syria Commentary" is not crystal clear ?
     
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    CNN will have opposing views. Limbaugh will not. Hannity constantly promotes conspiracy theories. I watch CNN and MSNBC, and I haven't found them pushing conspiracy theories. Maybe at times the story isn't quite right, but no one gets it right all the time.
     

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