In Eric Garner case, Justice Department declines civil rights charges against New York City police o

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  1. HTownMarine

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    Dude was too fat.
     
  2. Bluesguy

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    And breathing while he was unconscious. He died from cardiac arrest on the way to the hospital. The coroner listed multiple causes. The fact he Garner was alive on the ground and when they put him into the ambulance, the police officer did not get into the ambulance so how could he have killed him. And who makes such a decision, the citizen grand jury which did not charge him with being responsible for Garner's dead and the Department of Justice said the same thing.
     
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    Well, you know how it is. The coroner says the cop killed him through chocking him to death. The city paid, was it 5 or 6 million in damages? And than the "jury" looks at the white cop, and the dead black victim, and rules he had no other choice, must have been self defense. Totally innocent. That's "justice".... just like it was during them Jim Crow days. The US really shows the world where it is nr1 in.
     
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    No excuse to go execute him in the middle of the street through chocking him to death.
    It's like seeing some gay person being tossed of the building.
     
  5. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    It's a shame this criminal was on the street undercutting the law abiding merchants by selling untaxed contraband and when the police intervened to arrest him he challenged the police to a physical altercation because guess what they will give it to you. All he had to do was not violate the law and harm the business of the stores and all he had to do was stop and submit to the arrest.

    How? Taze him? With his health problems that could have killed him. Saying OK we won't arrest you and leaving? Hit in the knee with a billy club, oh that's right they can't use those anymore.

    Rodney King caused the juries he sustained by fighting with police and refusing their lawful orders to comply with the arrest. Yes it can look ugly when criminals refuse to comply with an arrest and violently fight back with the police.

    Even when presented with the ENTIRE video and his violent struggle and refusal to go down under the PCP induced violent behavior the King apologist insist they are totally in the right.
     
  6. Bluesguy

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    He wasn't in the street, he did not die on the scene he died from cardiac arrest on the way to the hospital not from choking which would have killed him as he was choked.
     
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    What don't you understand here...........Don't resist arrest and challenge the police to a fight, it's fundamental. He was talking and breathing after the take down. The medical examiner says lots of things killed him but the fact remains he was alive at the scene and died on the way to the hospital of cardiac arrest. And your simple unsupported bigoted dismissal the grand jury only shows your argument is lacking any merit. So is the DOJ also a bunch of bigots? And no it has nothing to do with a self defense claim. Go get your facts straight you're talking nonsense now.
     
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    as a native New Yorker and someone who lives in this city I don't appreciate falsehoods about our police.

    Eric Garner was not choked to death
     
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    That’s exactly the response one would expect from a high official in the Teenage Republican club. Can you really play a guitar? Have you ever smoked a joint? You remind me of Dean Vernon Wormer from Animal House. For Christ’s sake man, it’s Friday night. Loosen up a bit. Go out and get laid or something.
     
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    I quoted the freaking coroner there.
    You quote me saying that.
    The chock hold was illegal and banned. The cop was trained.
     
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    The coroner stated the other causes added. The primal cause was that the cop chocked him to death. Period.
     
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    It got factually proven them white cops were racist thugs, who were out there to drain the black population out of their money. And not just 1 or.. a couple. They were ALL in on it. The people knew it. Killing that poor guy ignited the anger of the black population being oppressed in a country that pretends to be free.
     
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  13. Ronstar

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    If he was choked to death how come he was able to yell "I can't breathe"????

    People who are choking can't speak

    If you have ever choked on food you will know what I am talking about
     
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    LOL!!

    Sounds like a Louis Farrakhan conspiracy theory.
     
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    Rather understandable that being oppressed by racist thugs with badges gives a lot of anger. And the US government proved they were all in on it.

    Yeah... the insurance company disagrees, and paid millions in damages.
     
  16. Ronstar

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    Wrong!!

    The City of New York and the Garner family agreed to an out-of-court settlement.

    That does not mean that the city admitted to any wrongdoing. The city settles lawsuits all the time.
     
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    Oh give the race-baiting soapbox speeches a rest already.
     
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    That some primary white jury ones again rules in favor of a white cop, doesn't change the FACT that the coroner ruled that it's is a FACT that the primal cause is that the cop chocked him to death. An other examiner agrees on this. Period. A bunch of amateurs who never examined a body in their entire life really do not change a thing to what the cause was. They only rule if somebody doesn't have to go to jail because of the feels.
     
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    What a disgusting apology for obvious excessive use of force.
     
  20. Ronstar

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    Eric Garner did not die of asphyxiation or choking he died of heart failure.

    Your understanding of the coroner's report is fatally flawed
     
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    I am sure you will defend all the actions of the left in Ferguson.

    I am sure looting flat screen TV’s will make the blacks feel better as the rebuild of Ferguson falls on the shoulders of a tax payers.

    The loss of Michael Brown will not hurt the rebuild, because he was not a tax payer.
     
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    you can until you pass out.

    where the insurance company paid

    That does not mean that the city admitted to any wrongdoing. The city settles lawsuits all the time.[/QUOTE]
    In the case of Michael Brown, which is what you are responding too in my post... yes the insurance company paid.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Michael_Brown#Brown_family_lawsuit
    A Ferguson city attorney revealed the city's insurance company paid $1.5 million

    Nope... people who know what they are talking about all claim the cop did it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Eric_Garner#Medical_examiner's_report_and_autopsy
    On August 1, Garner's death was found by the New York City Medical Examiner's Office to be a result of "compression of neck (choke hold), compression of chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by police".[4][68][69] Asthma, heart disease, and obesity were cited as contributing factors.

    The medical examiner ruled Garner's death a homicide. According to the medical examiner's definition, a homicide is a death caused by the intentional actions of another person or persons, which is not necessarily an intentional death or a criminal death.

    An independent autopsy conducted by Michael Baden, a former New York City medical examiner, agreed with the findings of the New York City Medical Examiner's Office and concluded that Garner's death was primarily caused by "compression of the neck". Baden reported finding hemorrhaging around Garner's neck, which was indicative of neck compression.
     
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    The doctor who performed the autopsy on Eric Garner stated the following:



    The doctor who performed an autopsy on Eric Garner testified on Wednesday that a police officer choked him with enough force that it triggered a “lethal cascade” of events, ending in a fatal asthma attack.

    The doctor, Floriana Persechino, said the officer’s chokehold and the compression of Mr. Garner’s chest during his arrest on Staten Island in 2014 “set into motion a lethal sequence.”

    Though Mr. Garner had high blood pressure and chronic asthma, Dr. Persechino, a veteran city medical examiner, stood by her finding that his death was a homicide caused by the officer’s use of force. “The chokehold is a significant initial factor of the cascade,” she said.

    Narrating graphic photos of Mr. Garner’s body, Dr. Persechino said on Wednesday that internal bleeding visible in four layers of soft tissue from his neck indicated the use of a chokehold that set off the asthma attack.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/15/nyregion/eric-garner-death-daniel-pantaleo-chokehold.html




    Asthma attack killed Garner.

    set off by the choke hold.

    perhaps if Garner was in better shape, he'd be alive today.

    Did Pantaleo know he had asthma? Nope.

    did he intend to cause a fatal asthma attack? Nope.
     
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    All he had to do was follow directions and be handcuffed and taken into custody.

    “Every time you see me you try to arrest me,” Garner told Officer Daniel Pantaleo....“I’m tired of it. It stops today.”

    He was right about that. Seems to me more like suicide by cop.

    Garner’s rap sheet includes 31 arrests dating to his first at age 16, cops said.
     
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    Damn right, glad to here it, hopefully the BLM hysteria is over.
     

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