'Indiscriminate' Killing in Gaza Was Top-Down War Plan, say Israeli Veterans

Then why don't they change the (*)(*)(*)(*)ing charter?

 

No, you try again. Posting bunch of links without any comments deserves no part of my attention, pal.

 

That's a lot of sorties AND a lot of dead people. I suspect you're going to find that a lot of pilots dumped their bombs in the desert. Here I am defending a lot of Israeli troops and pilots and you're still taking issue.

 

That would be a misdemeanor (not sure what disobeying direct order in time of military action is called) so no, I suspect you're very wrong - no pilot dumped their bombs in the desert. On the other hand, many, many missions were aborted at the last second because stupid Palestinians obeyed their leaders, and stays in the harm's way. why do you think these vicious, bloodthirsty Israelis did that when they were ordered by their commanders to indiscriminately kill Gazans?

Does not compute, sorry.

 

Because it represents an important historical document for the group, which was written at the time of their inception during the first Intifada.

 

Maybe if I was one of those 60 Israeli soldiers and sailors who are saying the slaughter was indiscriminate, I'd have some answers for ya. Your quarrel is with them, not me.

 

I wonder where Sarah Lazare was when more than 10,000 missiles were lobbed from Gaza on Israeli civilians and kids.

Well if all of that is true (I doubt that very much) It is the result of an 'eye for an eye'...

 

If it was an eye for an eye, than the amount of victims would be (about) equal. But it's not. Israel massacres far and FAR more innocent children and other civilians. What we got, is that Israel has an incredible high amount of violent racist Jews. (This racism is what they polled themselves) It's also how that country ends up time and time again with a government that ethnic cleanses. That is what the majority of them Jews want to do hence they vote for them parties. And a bit of genocide on the side when Arabs got a problem with being ethnic cleansed.

 

The problem is that most of those who were murdered by the IDF had nothing to do with any rockets fired into Israel. Even their own soldiers are coming out and saying that what they were ordered to do was criminal.

 

Perhaps Hamas which these people democratically elected should have built bomb shelters for their electorate instead of building (and using) tunnels and rocket launchers. If you country declares a war against a neighbor and does not invest a penny in civil defense and if your army hides behind your back and fires rockets from your backyard... when you get killed in your government's war, you have only your government to blame, you know.

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How many bomb shelters had Hamas built while being the government of Gaza and in a constant state of war with its neighbors? TIA

 

I actually admire the Limeys' ability to be involved in every war on the planet, to have the blood of hundreds of thousands of people in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya and elsewhere on their hands and yet time after time point finger elsewhere, at Israel, at the US... just not at the mirror, not at their own ugly, hateful, hypocritical mug... Oh well, I guess this weakness should be forgiven to the US's favorite most obedient lapdog, nobody's perfect

 

This is their industry, it's how they make their living. They fire rockets at Jews, Jews eventually retaliate, Gazans surround their weapons pits with children, then go sell the pics of dead babies to their antisemitic fans around the globe, aid is sent back by the shiploads in support of their getting children killed. Their fans just can't get enough of dead baby pics, especially their UN and euro-nazi fans.

They should show some respect for these faux 'palestinians' Islamic faith and wipe them out. Not wiping them out is showing utter contempt for Allah by not taking the vermin as seriously as they themselves think they should be taken. That's why Ham Ass gang was elected; the Israelis letting them live is an unforgivable insult. What would Allah think? And now those Jewish (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)s aren't even killing Hamas as they should, the ultimate insult making them look bad in the eyes of Allah. Your worst enemy doesn't think you're important enough to kill.

 

Israeli defense minister Moshe Yaalon on Tuesday said Israel would attack entire civilian neighborhoods during any future assault on Gaza or Lebanon.

Speaking at a conference in Jerusalem, Yaalon threatened that “we are going to hurt Lebanese civilians to include kids of the family. We went through a very long deep discussion … we did it then, we did it in [the] Gaza Strip, we are going to do it in any round of hostilities in the future.”

The Israeli official also appeared to threaten to drop a nuclear bomb on Iran, although he said “we are not there yet.”

In response to a question about Iran, Yaalon said that “in certain cases” when “we feel like we don’t have the answer by surgical operations” Israel might take “certain steps” such as the Americans did in “Nagasaki and Hiroshima, causing at the end the fatalities of 200,000.”

http://electronicintifada.net/blogs...s-kill-more-civilians-and-threatens-nuke-iran

Israel is a genocidal, pariah, terrorist, apartheid state.

 

Yes, well if Israel wasn't routinely stealing and moving its people onto territory which isn't theirs there would be no need for Palestinian resistance. This has nothing to do with 'learning' and everything to do with principles and international law-which Israel is in serial violation of. If someone threw you out of your home and moved into it themselves because their 'god' said it was ok, would you meekly hand over your keys?

 

Where exactly is this land to build these bomb shelters to shelter 2 million people?

 

Unfortunately, that's the way war is. However, the last international inquiry into the use of human shields, showed that Gazans were actually placing civilians in the direct line of fire. So, that throws the ball back into their court.

When Israel retaliates, it often drops dummy bombs first to warn residents. There are numerous videos you can find online that show gazans streaming (and bringing children) to these buildings before the actual bombs hit. Yes, that makes it murder - but the murdering is coming from gazans under hamas influence. Even the West Bank denounced Hamas for those acts. Egypt has turned its back on Gaza, and for good reason. Arab nations are (slowly) seeing the murderous lies of Hamas for what they are.

And - they're still firing rockets.....

Go figure.

 

How about I link you to several (actually around 1200) instances of brave Israeli soldiers using Palestinian children as human shields? In the interests of balance, naturally. http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014...-used-human-shields-1200-times-2006-2011.html
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=i...man-shield-for-criticism-of-israel%2F;400;300

 

Thank you for the excellent source material, very informative. Here are but just two of the pics from your link; as you have said, there are thousands others:

 

And, curiously, none of your pictures appear to show anyone engaged in actual combat. Nice try though.

 

I don't forgive successive British governments for this. I find it reprehensible and contemptible of them all.

The last prime minister who bucked the US resigned before being deposed (there was a coup d'etat planned, see HERE and HERE), so you can at least understand why later ones choose not to upset the US, even if you disagree with it. We overthrow prime ministers but politely avoid assassinating them as being far too messy.

But UK voters, like US voters, aren't really given much of a choice at the ballot box when it comes to foreign policy - which is, for me, the most important aspect of government. That area seems to be the preserve of a very small clique of the elite, no matter what the majority may want or wish for.

 

Again, from your own link. Want some more? Just ask:

 

Is anyone being forced there at gunpoint? Doesn't appear to be much in the way of coercion going on. Nice try though.

 

Your first link is to a blogger who cites the "Breaking the Silence" report, which I already addressed. Your second link is just to images, but no reputable explanation of what is actually going on. Some appear to be the IDF arresting arab teens, the main one appears to be an IDF soldier with a teen scrunching beneath him against a wall. It seems to me that if the soldier was intent on using the teen as a human shield, he would have shoved him out in front of him. Why does the IDF soldier appear to be shielding the teen? That doesn't back your claim at all.

I referred to an United Nations study - not a discredited and biased report - nor obscure images to demonstrate my point. Here is a link to an article where the New York Posts discusses the results of the UN study:

http://nypost.com/2015/05/02/un-report-outlines-how-hamas-used-kids-as-human-shields/

Storing the munitions in UN schools is a war crime.

I agree that we need to be concerned when we learn that innocent children are in harm's way - but - we really need to look at how those kids came to be in the line of fire. And, when we do that - we find that Gazans (at Hamas' instruction) have been pushing them there.

 

IDF soldiers have been prosecuted, by Israeli courts, for their use of human shields. The Israeli High Court has condemned the practise and correctly ruled it illegal. It is, in fact, a war crime. What more evidence do you need? Here; from Israeli right-wing media:: http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3154142,00.html

 

Coercing? Who needs coercing when them Palestinian kids are indoctrinated from birth and consider it a honor and a duty to die, rather then live in peace with the Jews. On the other hand, sometimes a little "coercing" may be useful, too



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Yes they did, and as you've correctly pointed out, the perpetrators have been persecuted.

Palestinians? Not so much.