So, I think you are serious here. You also seriously believe that you have some sort of moral high ground here, and on top of that think you have been using logic. Let me recap our discussion, but I will remove your emotional baggage around christianity. You: Fairies exist! People have reported seeing them! Me: Yes, people have also reported seeing aliens, here's a list of tons and tons of them. That's not valid evidence. You: How can you compare fairies to aliens?? Aliens are so ugly, and fairies are so beautiful, that is disgusting and disrespectful to fairies (because they totally exist). You hurt my feelings, I'm done talking. I don't know for sure, but I strongly strongly suspect that the problem isn't my arguments, it's that you can't figure out a way in which they are wrong. That means your beliefs might be wrong, and that is a risk you aren't willing to take. The important thing is that the world be as you imagine it, not that you find out what the world really is. Anything that might make you change your mind about how the world is needs to be avoided.
Why not? Why does God need a motive? Indeed, God IS motive, and love, and everything else. One way I've heard it explained is that we are all billets of steel and God is a blacksmith. The world is the forge and the bad things that happen to us are god's hammering on us to turn us into the fine things we can become. We are beaten endlessly, plunged into fire and then quenched in water or oil. It's not an easy process, either for God or us but in the end we are strong and beautiful in the only way we can be
Well, motive is required to survive in this world, and so is love and everything else. A god wouldn't need any of that. A god could not only simply make it so that it is an easy process, it is the being that would have to have made it a difficult process to begin with.
Uhmmm... yes and no. Can god make a square circle? If it is the inherent property of a thing that it can only be made in one way then that way of making it is part of the thing itself and if you make it differently, you make a different thing. Even God must face that limitation, or strangely, he won't be God....(so say some.) I see what you mean by Infinite Paradox though, but consider. In the Village there is a barber. The barber shaves everyone who does not shave himself, Does the barber shave himself? (the barber is male, no help there) I will leave the resolution of this paradox to the edification of the reader.
Right, it is like the set of all sets that do no contain themselves. In real life, we don't get those paradoxes.
There is no paradox. From a logical point of view you could say that the existence of a creator inclined to a create a universe is no more inexplicable than the simple existence of the universe, without necessitating a creator.
I think you can because the creator requires an infinite amount of complexity. A universe from nothing is allowed in currently understood physics, a god isn't. Now, if we are just going to accept that a being spawned into existence with a built in desire to create the universe, I suppose that isn't logically impossible. But, it is far more inexplicable than a universe from nothing. If it wasn't the creator's idea, who's idea was it? If it spawned into that beings mind randomly, it is the same thing as spawning in reality randomly, and again that creator is rendered unnecessary.
