Investigating the Jan 6 th Uprising.

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  1. fullmetaljack

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    Yes, there was a violent break in , as per the audio and video published to date. You are defending felons for the sake of your icon Dirty Donnie.
    As for your fake FBI claim, prove it. The presence of law enforcement officers presumes law enforcement, not criminal behavior.
     
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    Really ? Coming for the side that had 9 Benghazi investigations ?

    There is video of these "protestors" beating security guards with poles and fire extinguishers. They were chanting "hang Mike Pence". Their stated goal in all of this, which has now been verified via the new Trump legal memos, was to stop the certification of the election and to install Trump. They weren't carrying American flags, they were carrying TRUMP flags.

    This idea by the right that because it didn't succeed, it is a nothing-burger is beyond ridiculous. The right in this country wants ANTIFA members to be hung on the public square for looting a Target, yet they now claim that destroying the legislative chambers, looting and ransaking the senate chambers and the offices of democrat politicians was just a peaceful version of "free speech".

    Zero evidence ? oh FFS
     
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    Biden declines Trump request to withhold White House records from Jan. 6 committee

    "The White House on Friday formally rejected a request from former President Donald Trump to withhold documents from Congress related to the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol, setting up a legal showdown between the current and former president over executive privilege."


    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/wh...=857693951420692326&utm_medium=Email Sailthru


    Good. That request from trump indicates that he wants to obstruct and conceal information from that day
     
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    Bannon refuses to comply with congressional investigators seeking information about the Jan. 6 insurrection

    "In a letter to the select House committee Friday, ex-Donald Trump adviser Stephen K. Bannon cited the former president's intention to invoke executive privilege in initially refusing to cooperate with the panel’s subpoena."


    https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...0.sDFhg6Y9Y_GdQ_rqtcHAI-F-ZvcbU2gi_vN5BzE0EsI
     
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    Can't leave without a vaccine.
     
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    Participating in a riot is the wrong thing to do regardless of ideological motivation:
     
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    A non-governmental 'agent provocateur', an anarchist's confession.
     
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    The Boogaloo Boys are bad news. An anti-government anarchist conspiracy militant movement that believes the Oklahoma City bombing was a good thing. They purportedly believe in a coming civil war, some believing it will be a race war. This evil activity does not seem inconsistent with their dangerous beliefs.
     
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    There was no attempted insurrection or “uprising”. It’s been thoroughly investigated with minor charges at best. It’s a nothing burger.
     
  10. MiaBleu

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    So , what was that event that day in YOUR view?? A group act of "patriotism"??
     
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    Can Congress force former Trump aides to comply with the Jan. 6 investigation? It may be difficult

    "The House Jan. 6 committee is exploring ways to enforce subpoenas on former President Donald Trump and his top aides and advisers. But under current law, lawmakers have few options now that he has declared executive privilege."

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/co...=857693951420692326&utm_medium=Email Sailthru
     
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    Yeah for the sake of all Presidents, they ought not to be testifying concerning private discussions with the President. All presidents need the ability to discuss difficult matters without having to play to the press. Congress needs to look elsewhere.
     
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  13. fullmetaljack

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    The DOJ and Congress need to proceed: I don't believe Executive Privilege was ever meant to be used to conceal crimes or cover up after a failed coup attempt.
     
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    There is zero evidence they are concealing any crimes. You don't get to violate the extremely important Executive Privilege in the hopes of uncovering something.
     
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    Riiiiiiight, we should just take Dirty Donnie's word for it after the Insurrection he provoked, the phone calls he made to the president of the Ukraine asking him for help smearing a political enemy, the phone calls he made to Georgia after losing the election to ask them to find more votes for him, the 60 lawsuits filed and lost trying to overturn a free and fair election based on zero evidence.................................and on and on and on.............
     
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    Not one of your bullets is justification for violating Executive Privilege. Executive Privilege is a very important right of every President and should not be violated to try and search for dirt on a political opponent.
     
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    Because the FBI and the DHS and the Capital Police, the proper authorities to do so, are conducting the investigations and arresting and prosecuting those who committed crimes.
     
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    Burn incense to precedent, until they don't.

    Biden’s self-defeating decision on executive privilege may come back to haunt him.
    Too Late. Done Deal. Payback will be a bitch.
    If anything in these docs damage Trump they would have already been leaked. They destroyed precedent that will come back to bite them, and will get nothing that benefits their witch hunt.
    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/478933/

    "watching the postflight interview with William Shatner. The first thought that came to mind is the mental acuity of the 90-year-old Shatner as compared with the mental fumblings of 78-year-old Biden.”
     
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    Jan. 6 committee subpoenas ex-DOJ official who supported Trump push to overturn 2020 election

    "The congressional committee investigating the Jan. 6 riot at the Capitol on Wednesday subpoenaed former Justice Department lawyer Jeffrey Clark, who played a key role in then-President Donald Trump’s effort to overturn the 2020 election. A Senate report released last week found that Clark, the former acting head of the Justice Department's civil division, helped devise a plan to subvert the electoral count."


    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/po...=857693951420692326&utm_medium=Email Sailthru
     
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    So what do you call Dirty Donnie’s attempt to smear Biden by asking the Ukrainian government to announce an investigation? Not actually conduct one, just announce an investigation during the campaign ?
     
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    I think it has absolutely zero to do with Jan 6 and whether the very important Executive Privilege should be violated in order to dig for dirt on an ex-president. Do you disagree?
     
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    They don’t have to dig with the dirt swirling around us: Easton memo, Clark letter, et al. Subverting the constitution isn’t a topic that falls under executive privilege.
     
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    So you're agreeing they should not be violating Executive Privilege then. Yeah they can try to find dirt elsewhere to go after the ex-president without violating this important trust for all Presidents.
     
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    I disagree.

    You said
    "There is zero evidence they are concealing any crimes. You don't get to violate the extremely important Executive Privilege in the hopes of uncovering something."

    If you want to get technical, there is probable cause to suspect that a crime was committed. That is what investigations by competent authority are for. In US v Nixon, the Supreme Court defined a specific exception to EP relating to a criminal investigation. While the circumstances are not exactly the same here, the subpoenas being defied have been issued by the correct, co-equal branch of government.

    Once again, EP was not intended as a tool to conceal crimes.
     
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