Iowa class BB, they don't build them like that today

Are you still fixated on this fantasy? Tomahawks haven't been used in a ship to ship role in years. There is NO optical guidance for them or any other variant. It simply doesn't exist in any form.

 

I already posted a LINK on this topic that describes and details this reality out.

The Tomahawks have undergone a conversion as we have a S#!# LOAD of Tomahawks!!

AboveAlpha

 

Apache, I can't find the original message about replacing barrels in BB guns. I talked to a gunner on the USS Mississippi which was a 14 inch gunned ship who served from early 1943 to 1946. He said they NEVER EVER replaced the barrels, only the liners. He recalls for his ship, this was always done at Bremerton. The tops of the turrets were lifted off and placed on the docks. Then the guns were removed by the same cranes and only the liners replaced. Afterwards they were reinstalled. He also said the service life of the liners was very good as long as AP ammo with full charges was not used. Apparently if HE without full powder charges were fired, the liner life was significantly prolonged.

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You're just wrong. No Tomahawks at all for ship to ship. NONE.

 

Read.....

The Tactical Tomahawk is the latest and most advanced derivative of the Tomahawk cruise missile. It features the capability of reprogramming the missile while in-flight to attack another alternative target (flex-targeting), loitering capability over a target area for some time, battle damage assessment through on-board TV camera and production costs around a half of existing Block III missiles.
The Tactical Tomahawk incorporates COTS technology to achieve the objective production costs. The Block IV missile will have a 15-year warranty and recertification cycle, compared to the Block III variant's eight-year recertification cycle.

LINK....http://www.deagel.com/Land-Attack-Cruise-Missiles/Tactical-Tomahawk_a001146005.aspx

AboveAlpha

 

Read....

Additionally, U.S. attack submarines all field Raytheon Tomahawk Land Attack Missiles (TLAM). Earlier this year, Naval Air Systems Command (NAVAIR) tested a Block IV TLAM as an anti-ship missile.

“If you have Tomahawks already onboard then it could be dual purpose [land attack or anti-ship],” Wertheim said.

LINK....http://news.usni.org/2015/10/21/u-s...ng-anti-ship-missiles-back-to-submarine-force

AboveAlpha

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P.S....I might not be Navy...but they give me rides and get me and my Team where we need to go along with the USAF.

I get to learn many things when getting such rides.

AboveAlpha

 

Here is a VIDEO if you don't believe me.

A January test of a Raytheon Tomahawk land attack missile (TLAM) against a moving target at sea could be a short-term answer to the U.S. Navy’s long-range anti-surface missile problem, USNI News understands.

The test – conducted off of San Nicolas Island, Calif. – demonstrated that a TLAM launched from a ship could be guided into a moving target at sea by a Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet.

An unclassified video of the test, obtained by USNI News, shows the missile launch from guided missile destroyer USS Kidd (DDG-100), fly for an unspecified amount of time and punch a hole through a shipping container on a moving ship target and skip across the ocean.

LINK....http://news.usni.org/2015/02/09/video-tomahawk-strike-missile-punches-hole-moving-maritime-target

AboveAlpha

 

Geez man, you've been proven to be wrong multiple times on this topic. THAT doesn't prove that it's optically guided and it's certainly not ship to ship. I'm not sure why you persist in this.

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And this is operational? Hardly. A Sea skimmer is a different animal. Even your snippet says it's a test.

 

Read....

The Tactical Tomahawk is the latest and most advanced derivative of the Tomahawk cruise missile. It features the capability of reprogramming the missile while in-flight to attack another alternative target (flex-targeting), loitering capability over a target area for some time, battle damage assessment through........ ON-BOARD TV CAMERA.... and production costs around a half of existing Block III missiles.


You see that part?

ON-BOARD TV CAMERA??????

AboveAlpha

 

Please, you're going to go through the SAT COM spiel. Significant time delays in that. The capabilities you describe DO NOT EXIST in a operational weapon. There is NO anti ship missile in the world today that uses optical guidance. NONE.

 

Your wrong.

We have some operational and we are converting many Tomahawks for use as a Sub to Surface Ship and Ship to Ship long range weapon.

You posted to me...."You're just wrong. No Tomahawks at all for ship to ship. NONE."...and I disproved that.

Fact is we have an enormous number of Tomahawks in our inventory and it's relatively simple for us to adapt them for ship to ship or sub to ship attack roles.

They have a very long range and are perfect for what we need.

And the technology to adapt them is simple.

AboveAlpha

 

This is something different but I want to ask you....have you ever heard about the development of a high velocity underwater craft that has been labeled as an Underwater Fighter/Attack Craft?

AboveAlpha...think Bahamas.

 

NO IT IS NOT. Operational and test weapons are two different things. You've proved NADA. You haven't the faintest clue about how land attack vs a sea skimmer are different. Not a clue about home on jam, jamming arcs, mechanical or electronic jamming. You've even had a guy who had a career in the surface warfare called you out on this, yet you persist. Just stop now, while you're way behind.

 

Really?

Why is it then we ordered 2,200 Tactical Tomahawks for shipt to ship use back in 2004???

On August 18, 2004, the US Navy awarded Raytheon a $1.6 billion multi-year procurement contract for the purchase of 2,200 Tactical Tomahawk missiles from FY2004 through FY2008. The contract also approved full rate production. The US Navy will receive 2135 missiles worth $1.56 billion.

They EXIST!!!

Now....let's talk about the Underwater Fighter.

AboveAlpha

 

ALL Navy Tomahawks are land attack without exception. ALL OF THEM.

 

The latest variant (Tomahawk Block IV) includes a two-way satellite data-link that enables the missile to be retargeted in flight to preprogrammed, alternate targets. The Block IV design was initiated as both a cost savings and a capability improvement effort.

Raytheon and the U.S. Navy are now enhancing this already sophisticated weapon. Planned upgrades to the Tomahawk Block IV include: upgraded communications, a more powerful warhead, and a new seeker designed to hit moving targets at sea or on land in darkness and all kinds of weather. The multi-mode seeker test is scheduled for later this year.

Modernizing Tomahawk is quick and affordable way to provide warfighters with the capability they need to stay ahead of the threat.

LINK....http://www.raytheon.com/capabilities/products/tomahawk/

AboveAlpha

 

However it doesn't prove they exist and they don't.

 

P.S...the above article is from several YEARS AGO!!!

AboveAlpha

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Listen....unless you are still in the Navy and unless you held a clearance level like me....you would not know to what extent and number we have these.

But we have them....and we have tested them....and they are fantastic!

AboveAlpha

 

Please, I'm ROFL. You have no security clearance and if you knew about these capabilities it would be at the Top Secret level and you wouldn't be talking about it on a forum. It's getting ridiculous now alpha. Stop digging the hole any deeper for yourself.

 

This info is not classified!

But if you were on a Sub or Destroyer right now you would know we have them!!

We placed an order for over 2000 of them back in 2004!!!

You can't possibly believe that 12 years have gone by and we have not had some delivered??

AboveAlpha

 

If a Tomahawk is on a ship it's land attack PERIOD.

 

The Raytheon Website proves not all are.

We have them.

It's not like these converted Tomahawks needed some super high tech adaptation to make them work ship to ship.

The tech is SIMPLE!!

AboveAlpha

 

NO IT DOES NOT. The technology is also not simple. I"m really starting to choke from laughing so hard.

 

So...let me get this straight.....even though we ordered well over 2000 of these back in 2004...and even though we had a successful test as a Block IV Tomahawk hit a moving ship back in January of 2014.....you still don't believe we have Block IV's deployed on subs and ships?

AboveAlpha

 

With the Iowa's there were spare barrels where the barrel's could be removed and new barrels replacing them while the old barrels were shipped by rail for the liners to be relined (re-rifled.) For the 16"/50 gun barrels there were only two places in America where this could be done. One located in Idaho (NAVAL PROVING GROUNDS Pocatello, Id.) and the other at the former Naval Gun Factory on the east coast. Might have been at the Washington Navy Yard or at the Philadelphia NSY, not sure, I forget.


You might find the below informative. All were posted some where above in former post on theis thread or other threads dealing with the Iowa class BB's.

NAVAL ORDNANCE AND GUNNERY

GUN BARREL CONSTRUCTION -> http://www.eugeneleeslover.com/USNAVY/GUN-BARL-CONSTRUCTION-1.html


This is where the relining took place for BB's on the west coast -> http://www4vip.inl.gov/publications/d/proving-the-principle/chapter_02.pdf

Back during the 1980's I watched one of the USS New Jersey 16" gun barrels being removed and replaced at the Long Beach NSY. They had well over a dozen 16"50 gun barrels at the yard to replace the barrels of the USS New Jersey and the USS Missouri. It's been a long time but if I remember correctly they could replace two gun barrels per day at the Long Beach NSY.

Re: Thomahawk:

The Navy's Tomahawks are land attack. The Iowa's were also armed with anti ship Harpoon missiles.

But the Navy just announced earlier this year they have an anti ship Tomahawk in the pipeline that they say can hit a moving target like a ship. But being sub sonic, slow enough to be shot down I just don't see it happening unless the U.S. Navy uses Russian navy tactics where they fire their anti ship missiles in large salvos. But the Russians anti ship missiles are sea skimming supersonic at Mach 2.5. There tactics are to launch a 24 round salvo of supersonic cruise missiles of 24 missiles all coming on target at the same time. 1/2 would be targeting a super carrier while the other half targeting the carrier's escorts. A ships CIW system can only deal with one target at a time.

I think the U.S. Navy is now relying on the Rolling Airframe Missile (RAM) for CIW system. http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/searam-anti-ship-missile-defence-system/

The 20 mm Phalanx CIWS can only deal with one target at a time.

 

From what I understand the U.S. Navy is attempting to counter the Skimmers coming in at Mach 2.5 with Electronic Jamming.

This is one area we are very well in advanced.

But if a large number were launched at the same time...it would be problematic.

AboveAlpha