Iran’s Rouhani warns of greater hardship than war years of 1980s

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  1. kazenatsu

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    Maybe they need to be less reliant on selling oil.
     
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    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Me? I do not suffer from the visions of grandeur, my friend. But of course I’m not that important! :-?
     
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    Criticizing the U.S. does make you "anti-American". In fact, only a good, pro-American would fulfill his obligation to criticize and guide the U.S. on the right path of Democratic principles. And, by the way, this is NOT "an American web site". This is Internation grounds.

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    If this were true the U.S. would not be importing so many goods from abroad. Let's begin with oil, shall we?
     
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    That is how they are able to take care of their people. My understanding is that the Iranian populace likes the west, or did.
     
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    My point was, what would happen if they didn't have all that oil.

    Why should sanctions have to hurt them, unless the people and the government themselves are guilty of gross economic mismanagement?

    I say make them suffer a little bit and have to learn to live without that oil revenue.
     
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    To begin, the US does not have to import oil. The US can be self-reliant at a cost, of course. That is why free trade is so important because as the isolationist state that Trump favors, our cost to live would skyrocket due to the lack of competition.
     
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    Whois have the site registered in Phoenix, Az
     
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    True, prices would go up a little bit, but the bigger thing all that money would stay in the country.

    Is it better to pay your own child $5 to do something, or pay some stranger $4 ?

    Might end up costing you even more in the end when you have to pay your child an allowance.
     
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    Depends on the type of sanction. Iran is a desert and its existence depends on imports.
     
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    Oh please, Iran was once a great civilization and has a lot of orchards. They actually export of a lot of dried fruit to Iraq and the Gulf States.
    Iran is not all completely desert like many other countries in the Middle East.
    (i.e. I may agree with your argument, but not so much in the case of Iran)
     
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    It's not an excuse at all. Congressional Republicans told everyone during the negotiations that Obama's "deal" was, at best, an executive agreement between him and Ali Khamenei, and once Obama was gone so was his "deal". Obama, Khamenei, Vlad the Invader, Chairman Mao II and the whores in Europe who signed their little political declaration/agreement/commitment didn't listen and didn't care.

    This may come as news to you, but smarter people in the private sector did listen and did care, and when the sanctions were lifted they wisely decided not to do business with the Islamofascist kleptocracy in Tehran. Now that our Republican president has made good on his fellow Republicans' promise, those businesses are completely unaffected by the reimposition of U.S. sanctions, which is why you don't hear any bawling and whining out of them. Unlike the uninformed people in this forum who know nothing about U.S. government and law, they understood that without a treaty the United States of America didn't make a legally binding anything with anyone.
     
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    Prices would go up a lot, and not just a little. That is why manufacturing began leaving for greener pastures back in the day. They could not be competitive due to outrageous costs. Trump's trade war is already forcing many companies to check out.
     
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    Maybe not legally binding, but it is certainly morally binding as if Trump gives a sht about "binding", legal or otherwise. He just wants to call himself a winner no matter who he screws, to satisfy his ego.
     
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    Maybe we need to roll back all the environmental and workplace protections our country has but those other countries don't.

    If we're going to have free trade without tariffs, that's the only way to bring those jobs back (if we want them back).
     
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    But doesn't the price of oil destroy its' "self-sufficiency" rendering it "dependent"? I mean, let's say you are right ..... how can it be claimed that the U.S. is self-sufficient if it is dependant on importing oil, due to its' price or for whatever reason? That is not the definition of self-sufficient.
     
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    If you do not believe in the power of a handshake and a signature ..... why are you including yourself in this discussion? I understand what you are trying to tell me but your argument is not much more than an "Ah, but!" Next you might be telling me that Obama had his fingers crossed (behind his back) when he made the deal or that he 'called dibs' on the other chair but didn't get it so now the whole agreement is invalid.
     
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    Americans can't compete with cheap foreign labor. So long as Americans continue to fight for higher wages third world countries and China with cheap labor forces will drive Americans out of manufacturing jobs.
     
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    War versus Conflict, what's the difference? War was waged on both sides.
     
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    No, it doesn't But the endless anti american propaganda posted by some subscribers make them anti American.
     
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    This post is one of thee most hilariously dumb things I've ever seen on the internet, and I've been seeing dumb things on the internet for over twenty years now.

    Congratulations, that's an achievement.
     
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    Yes that is true, however it all started with the British and the discovery of oil as a resource. There's a really good book on the topic, I'm only one third through it but the first part explains the origins of the conflict we're dealing with now.

    https://www.amazon.com/Century-War-Anglo-American-Politics-World/dp/1615774920
     
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    Trump is already rolling back environmental and workplace protections for profit. The fact is that manufacturing began leaving long before many of these protections were put into place. The unions were striking every other day and getting huge packages which included featherbedding and other goodies. For example, a high school dropout was making $90,000 a year plus benefits. As it is now,
    factory auto workers make $45 per hour. How are companies to compete at that level? The free market is supposed to be just that--free.
    Trump cannot force companies to remain here if they are unable to compete in world markets.
    I agree that some of the environmental protections needed to be cut, but Trump just slashed away without any research, as usual.
    Many of these protections were put into place to protect us from companies who were abusing the environment for profit.
     
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    We are no longer dependent on importing oil, or much less than before Trump. We export oil to world markets.
     
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    You are actually blaming the situation on the American average Joe?
     

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