Iran appears to be on the verge of nuclear capability

No, you are not trying to figure out the characteristics or qualifications of a leader. You are trying to coax me to name someone I consider a great leader so you can swerve away from the issue and attack that person. Your motive is obvious.

The fact remains, we need a strong leader who can unite others in isolating Iran and prevent them from building the infrastructure which will give them the ability to enrich uranium to weapons grade. Your inability to process that is not my problem.

 

What Iran nukes?
All American and Israeli intelligence services confirmed that Iran does not have any nukes and does not have any intention to aquire any.

 

Are you unaware that the sanctions are working? Iran is down to producing 1.2 million bpd and importing gasoline.

 

Obviously not well enough. That is a good argument for enplacing stronger sanctions. Stronger sanctions would be a better step than forcing a military confrontation.

 

I was under the misapprehension that Germans in general are industrious and knowledgeable people...

a) Iran is an oil producing country for the next thousand years.
b) If according to you they have no intention of acquiring any NUKES... Could you kindly explain why the 19,000 centrifuges are still working and have not yet been dismantled?

Centrifuge = NUKES

 

if Iran really wanted nukes, they would have them by now.

 

Iran does not currently have any circa 1945 Old Fission Gun Barrel Design Nuclear Bombs assembled.

But they have the necessary amount of Weapons Grade Nuclear Fuel for 1 to 3 bombs and they have about 5 Gun Barrel Nuclear Designed Weaons that are completely existing in just parts sitting on assembly tables.

The thing is it is THE OLD IRANIAN ISLAMIC REVOLUTIONARY GUARD and the Ayatoallah's that want to have at LEAST THE ABILITY of having Nuclear Weapons.

These weapons would be HUGE.....HEAVY....and Iran could neither place them atop a Missile nor does Iran have a Heavy Bomber capable of dropping one on a target.

The BEST Iran could do is put such a massive weapon on a TRUCK and drive it as close to it's intended target as possible but as such Iranaian Fission Bombs would only have an Explosive Yeild of between 5 and 10 Kilotons....they would have to drive such a Nuclear Bomb laden truck directly into the heart of a city as well a Nuclear Weapons does far greater damage when detonated thousands of feet above it's target as a Ground Blast severely limits it's explosive effect.

The United States would KNOW INSTANTLY if any such weapon was being moved.

There is absolutely ZERO GAIN for Iran to posses Nuclear Weapons as a few circa 1945 Fission Bombs would HARDLY deter the U.S. Military and if Iran ever did detonate one.....the U.S. would have TO MAKE AN EXAMPLE OF TEHRAN....something I do not like to think about.

AboveAlpha

 

North Korea has yet to demonstrate it can even develop a Nuclear Weapon that will PROPERLY DETONATE....as we read the grund movement levels and kinetic wave transfers after those North Korean Nuclear Tests.....and they showed that only a PARTICL DETONATION OCCURRED!!!

North Korea will eventually solve that issue but it will be DECADES before North Korea is capable of making a Nuke small enough and light enough to be placed atop of one of their.....ALWAYS FLYING OFF COURSE AND CRASHING IN THE OCEAN MISSILES!!!

China is working with the U.S. as China see's North Korea as a MAJOR EMBARRASSMENT!!!

Plus we could easily shoot down any North Korean Nuclear Tipped Balistic Missile.

By the time North Korea even is able to make one that would work.....and by that time I am fairly certain China will have forced the North Korean's to abandon their insanity......that we would be fully capable of shooting such missiles down either using Improved SM-3's ABM/ASATS.....or with Free Electrons Lasers.....or with Air Lanched from F-15's ABM's....and many other methods.

China see's North Korean Nuclear Agression as a reason for the United States to build up forces both Naval and Ground and Air...in South East Asia.

North Korea is messing up China's long term plans.

As it is now the U.S. Navy and Military in and around China is capable upon such a high level that...as example....A SINGLE U.S. NAVY NUCLEAR CARRIER BATTLE GROUP.....has more Nuclear Weapons than exist in THE ENTIRE CHINESE NUCLEAR INVENTORY!!!

The U.S. Submarine Force WHICH IS NEVER DISCUSSED.....most likely exists at such a level that not a single PLN Ship or Sub or Troop Carrier if China was intending to Invade Taiwan.....would make it out any further than the INTERNATIONAL BOARDER LINE....before BEING BLOWN OUT OF THE WATER!!!


Never mind USAF Long Range Heavy Bombers....as well as Carrier Based Aircraft.

AboveAlpha

 

Centrifuges can also equal nuclear power.

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Just supply a list of cases where sanctions have actually resulted in a change in a countries behavior!

 

Ok....... http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...-times-that-economic-sanctions-really-worked/

 

That my friend is precisely what worries me. I think North Korea and Iran are essentially are in the same boat given their treaty and mutual exchanges.

 

WOW, if you look at the list it tells you that sanctions essentially never work against any major country and that there are no significant recent examples. But you are technically correct, out of the hundreds of times they have been tried, sanctions did work sort of, and occasionally in the past against small countries.

 

Oh...there is NO DOUBT....these two are exchanging information.....but what is their possible END GAME???


They only want to be respected like the BIG BOYS....but they continue to act like 2 year olds throwing temper tantrums!!!

Neither nation has any capability of attacking the U.S. with a Nuke.

If they did...we could easily shoot it down.

Iran does not have the Missile Tech.....North Korea does not either and neither of them can make a nuke small enough to be placed atop a Balistic Missile.

Neither has the Aircraft.

This is all about trying to get what they want.

In a real war...with either.....Iran's own Military would STAND DOWN.

North Korean's are BRAINWASHED.....so they would create a lot of damage by targetting the South Korean Capitol.....but the weapon system the North Korean's FEAR THE MOST?

B-2's

The USAF.....would first come in with B-2's and F/A-22's and F-35's all loaded up to detroy the entire line of North Korean Artillary they have along the DMZ.

After that....B-52's and B-1B's loaded up with the new...DOES NOT BREAK THE CLUSTER BOMB TREATY....which we never signed anyways....as these cluster munitions render themselves inert if they do not detonate......anyways.....U.S. Heavy Bombers loaded with Rocket Propelled Cluster Munition Mechanised Division Destroyers....and loaded with Hyperbaric Bombs designed to collapse Tunnels the North Korean's have built under the DMZ.

After that.....there would be very little the North Korean's could do except be targets.

AboveAlpha

 

If Iran needs nukes to preserve their sovereignty - I say let them have it. At least I'm not aware of that Iran ever invaded anyone, so we can be sure, that it is for self-defense purposes only.

 

Iran signed the NPT.....Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.

Iran had absolutely no ability to build their own reactors....thus by signing the NPT a Nation may BUY Nuclear Reactor Tech...and that is what Iran did as they bought such Reactors from Russia.

What Iran CANNOT DO UNDER THE NPT....is develop Nuclear Weapons....Build Secret Underground Unreported Nuclear Labs...whcih the U.S. with it's Ground Penetrating Radar was able to detect several....and Iran cannot enrich Uranaium above Reactor Fuel Level.

Iran has build TEN'S OF THOUSANDS OF CENTRIFUGES...as this is an old outdated way to enrich Uraniaum as each Centrifuge can develop a very tiny amount of Weapons Grade Uranium and that is why Iran has built so many.

Iran has enough Weapons Grade Uranium to build between 1 to 3 circa 1945 U.S. Gun Barrel Design Nuclear Fission Bombs with a 5 to 10 Kiloto Yeild each.

Iran has all the parts to build about 5 to 6 of these just sitting on tables ready to be put together BUT SNARTLY IRAN HAS NOT DONE SO!!

If Iran was so STUPID as to announce to the WORLD it had Nuclear Weapons....the United States would have NO CHOICE but to make an example of Iran for breaking the NPT.

AboveAlpha

 

I heard same thing about Saddam and his WMD...

 

Not with the present US President and his administration!!!

 

I agree with your points but--

Well in all fairness, your sources are probably not any more reliable than leaked intel assessments.

And since we don't know what people do for a living around here, they really may be an intel or nuke expert, who knows? All we can do is cite source on the internet and go from there

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Not a good argument. Just ask North Korea

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Sad dam did have WMDs. ISIS seized old chemical weapons in Iraq. Google it.

 

I was against Invading Iraq and so was Bush Sr.

Bush Sr. KNEW that although Saddam was violent and oppressive he was the only one keeping the Sunni's and Shiite's from all out Civil War.

As far as WMD's.....Iraq had a huge amount of Chemical Weapons...enough to kill every Human Being in the Middle East.

I and others watched IN REAL SATELLITE FEED TIME.....as MASSIVE CONVOYS of IRAQI TRUCKS FILLED WITH CHEMICAL WEAPONS.....drove from Iraq and over the Syrian Boarder!!!!

What made this so unreal is that Saddam and Assad's Father who was the leader of Syria at the time were SWORN BLOOD ENEMIES!!!

As far as Nuclear.....that was a BLUNDER OF EPIC PROPORTION BY A FEW WHO ARE NOT WORKING ANYMORE!!!

Saddam also had a number of SMALL LABS.....working on Biologics....we cleaned those sites.

Iran is much different.

Iran has the Weapons Grade Fuel at the moment to make one or two circa 1945 Gun Barrel Design Fission Bombs.

Iran has at least 5 maybe 6 not assembled but all the parts available to make 5 to 6 Fission Bombs with Yeilds of between 5 to 10 Kilotons.

We SHOULD NOT ATTACK IRAN.....as the Iranian's themselves are close to REVOLUTION....this time a DEMOCRATIC REVOLUTION....unlike the Islamic one.

BUT.....if IRAN PUBLICALLY ANNOUNCES IT HAS OPERATIONAL NUCLEAR WEAPONS.....the U.S. Military will go in and we have already made DEALS with the Iranian Navy, Air Force and some REGULAR IRANIAN ARMY DIVISIONS TO STAND DOWN!!!

We would come in with thousands upon thousands of Special Forces, Army Rangers and Special Teams and CIA Teams......as well as Special Nuclear Weapons and Nuclear Reactor Teams....and SEIZE EVERY SINGLE IRANIAN NUCLEAR FACILITY BOTH ABOVE AND BELOW GROUND!!!

The Iranian Military that would NOT STAND DOWN.....would be the Republican Guard Divisions which if necessary we could easily destroy using U.S. Heavy Bombers equipped with the New....DOES NOT BREAK THE CLUSTER BOMB BAN TREATY....which we didn't sign anyways.....because these submunitions are rendered INERT once they impact the ground.....anyways.....B-2's and F/A-22's equipped at first with the new NON-NUCLEAR EMP'S......which once dropped emmits an Electromagnet Pulse that renders all Mechanized Forces INERT!!!

If necessary....followed by about 40 B-52's dropping the new Carpet Bombing Cluster Munitions which have small rockets which destroy any and all Tank's, Trucks, Self Propelled Artilary...etc.

The USN. would most likely just have to watch the Iraqi Navy as the Iraqi Navy would most likely STAND DOWN then be OBLITERATED....same with the Iranian Air Force which would most likelu be escorted by USAF and NAVY AIRCRAFT to land in Iraq.

AboveAlpha