Iran called Trump's bluff

False, the previous government of Iran bought 4 kidd class cruisers and 50 f14 tomcats. Then muslim radicals overthrew the government.

Now your crying cause America didnt deliver weapons to the terrorist occupiers.

They over ran the US embassy and held our people hostage for 444 days.

Obama is a chump.

 

I am just stating fact, we put the money in an account cause we did not deliver on the sale, we eventually planned to refund their money with interest the account accrued, we did so

your the one crying cause they did not deliver the weapons, I am fine with them not and issuing a refund instead

maybe Trump will make a deal to 'make a deal' with Iran

Trump is a Dotard

 

Sandy Shanks claims to be an American and a writer. A couple of books are listed at Amazon.com under that name. I just assumed he was telling the truth.

 

If the Senate hasn't verified a treaty then there is no word to break.

 

Is Trump provoking a war with Iran? You decide.

Trump withdrew the U.S. from the nuclear deal with Tehran that permanently barred Iran from making a nuke.

In an interview with Time, Trump described what kind of provocation he believes would justify military action. "I would certainly go [to war] over nuclear weapons."

Trump ratcheted up sanctions — including, in April, a move to shut down Iran’s remaining oil exports.

Trump offered up a dozen draconian U.S. dictates that would completely reverse Iran's foreign policy, essentially calling for regime change.

On May 5th, Trump ordered a battleship-carrier strike group (CBG), led by the U.S.S. Abraham Lincoln, and a bomber task force, including B-52s, deployed off Iran’s coast.

Five days later, on May 10th, Trump ordered a second display of force: the U.S.S. Arlington and a battery of Patriot missile systems would join the Abraham Lincoln.

The U.S. military provoked the incident yesterday. The military sent up a drone to spy on Iran, and it was positioned 8 to 10 miles from the territorial waters of Iran according to CentCom. It was on a spying mission when it was shot down. Even if we believe the drone was in international waters, who provoked who?

Another question. Does Trump know what he is doing? It doesn't sound like it. He poked a bee hive, and he doesn't like the consequences.

 

No.

Only if Iran follows the rules. They are not known for following the rules.

Nothing else appears to work with them.

There is an old military adage. The idea is to kill the enemy, not just pi$$ them off. There is also one called "respect the threat". If you think you might have to go to war, go in to win.

If we are going to protect ships going through the straight, we have to know what Iran is doing. We can't do that blind.

I believe the military does and he seems to be following their advice.

 

Again. Evidence that you are not who you say you are.

 

Where the drone was is not as relevant as the fact that nobody, not even our allies, believe us. That had never happened before. And it's a direct consequence of having a pathological liar at the helm.

It's a bad thing in this case. But it can be much much worse.

 

It’s international air space. We’re allowed to be there without being shot at.

 

We don’t need anyone’s permission to respond.

 

Congress should have to approve first

 

We will need support and allies if we are going escalate. Trump did well in calling off the escalation, because we have neither.

 

No escalation. Just a proportionate response.

 

Correct -a -mundo.
If bullshit were music a couple of posters here would be a symphony.
Hey Sandy, who was/is your pick for a Trump replacement again???????

 

The only right Iran has is unconditional surrender.

 

This was written days before Trump withdrew the U.S. from the JCPOA.

The Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action was adopted in October 2015 and formally implemented on Jan. 16, 2016, by the five permanent members of the United Nations Security Council — China, France, Russia, Britain and the United States — and Germany and Iran.


Iran agreed to constraints meant to ensure that its nuclear program will be used only for peaceful purposes, such as energy production. In exchange, the United States, the European Union and the United Nations agreed to lift a broad range of sanctions on Iran. U.S. allies say the Iran deal has helped maintain stability. Critics of the deal say that the broad lifting of sanctions has enabled Iran to increase its influence in a volatile region and that the accord does not restrict Iran from developing ballistic missiles. [But they don't question the permanent nuclear ban]

"Nevertheless, President Trump's statement indicates either abject confusion over the parameters of the JCPOA or a willful misinterpretation of that deal," said Alexandra Bell, senior policy director at the Center for Arms Control and Non-Proliferation. "Either way, it is dangerous, as Iran will never be 'free to go ahead and create nuclear weapons.' "


As a signatory to the Non-Proliferation Treaty, Iran has pledged not to develop nuclear weapons — ever. In agreeing to the JCPOA, Iran recommitted itself to the Non-Proliferation Treaty, Bell said. "The NPT is of indefinite duration and serves as the underpinning for the entire global nonproliferation regime," she said.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/nation-world/ct-fact-check-trump-iran-deal-20180508-story.html

Countless sources say the same thing. Too many people believed Trump's lies. The world may pay a price for that.

 

I doubt Bolton and Pompeo will just leave it at that. This is a problem that should not exist. Did not exist. Trump created it. His warmongers made it worse. I don't see why they would stop now.

 

At best it’s an arms control agreement not a disarmament accord. Over time, some of its most important restrictions on core issues, such as advanced research on centrifuges and enrichment capacity, will end. The fact is Iran is already a nuclear weapons threshold state. And this accord will leave Tehran with an industrial-size nuclear infrastructure and the option to break out or even weaponize should it choose to do so.

It was a bad deal. Make no mistake, Iran got the better part of the deal.

Much more could be accomplished and is being accomplished by squeezing Iran like Trump is doing with sanctions.

 

Yes... and that is EXACTLY why Trump should have, at the very least, authorized our military to totally destroy the Iranian military missile base(s) that targeted and brought down our $130 million-dollar surveillance drone.

He said that he felt bad about the idea of killing 150 Iranian military personnel in such a retaliatory strike, so, Trump just blew the whole thing off and let the Iranians get away with destroying our equipment.... I never heard of a president saying such a thing before....

I voted for Trump, and will probably need to vote for him again in 2020 if the Democrats have nothing better to offer than what we've seen so far, but in truth, for a President of the United States to be doing this was just BULLSHIT!

I'm not a damned bit happy about it and I truly feel that that this point Trump must tell the Iranians:

"1. Iran MUST pay the United States at least $130 million dollars, in cash, for the drone you destroyed for NO valid reason at all.
2. Iran MUST accompany this payment with an apology to the United States for destroying our equipment in international airspace, over international waters.

Moreover, if the government of Iran refuses to meet both of these requirements, then the next provocation Iran commits against the United States will be met with immediate military force that will result in severe consequences for Iran."

 

I tend to agree with you. I wonder if we still have any Wild Weasel aircraft. They flew with our aircraft and anytime they were threatened by a SAM site, they would launch a missile and take out the SAM site. I am betting a couple of those would end that nonsense pretty quick.

 

It is my understanding that in the current era the USAF and USN simply arms their strike aircraft with some anti radiation missiles to engage SAM sites. This has actually been a common practice of our European NATO allies. The "self escorting" method of rolling back air defenses. That and our use of drones to carry out defense suppression attacks.

 

Then you may be thankful that we have a president with better judgement than Hillary.

And, lucky you! You can show that appreciation by voting for him in 2020.

 

As much as I'd like to be proven wrong, so far, in almost three years of Trump leadership, I've seen nothing whatsoever to demonstrate that Trump is capable of learning anything new, or reflecting on the impact his decisions have on others--at least until today, when he actually did cancel a bombing run on Iran because he realized he was ordering the death of an estimated 150 Iranians. We'll see if that was a fluke or a possible turning point. I'd bet on the former.

 

Trump designs his tweets for a certain audience, his base. Members of his base are the only ones who will believe what he says. Such is the case with his tweets today.



Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump

....On Monday they shot down an unmanned drone flying in International Waters. We were cocked & loaded to retaliate last night on 3 different sights when I asked, how many will die. 150 people, sir, was the answer from a General. 10 minutes before the strike I stopped it, not....



Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump

....proportionate to shooting down an unmanned drone. I am in no hurry, our Military is rebuilt, new, and ready to go, by far the best in the world. Sanctions are biting & more added last night. Iran can NEVER have Nuclear Weapons, not against the USA, and not against the WORLD!

6:03 AM - Jun 21, 2019

"Sights???" Would you trust a President who doesn't know the difference between "sights" and "sites?"

"We were cocked & loaded?" Did Trump get that from a John Wayne movie? What a trite phrase for a President to use, but it is the kind of phrase his fans love.

There is the overall tenor of these two tweets that only Trump's adoring admirers could possibly believe. Our military is about to make a serious mistake according to Trump's story line and suddenly, at the last minute, he rides in on his white horse and saves the day. Good Lord, it is difficult to imagine anyone believing that. Is that how decisions are made in the Trump White House?

"I asked, how many will die. 150 people, sir, was the answer from a General. 10 minutes before the strike." Very dramatic and a total lie. When the Pentagon presents its options for a military strike, up front is the estimate of casualties. No President is going to learn of the casualty estimate ten minutes before zero hour unless said President is just plain stupid.

"Sanctions are biting & more added last night." Another lie, the White House has not imposed new sanctions, not yet, anyway. However, that seems to be the direction toward which Trump is heading. He backed Iran into a corner, and Iran shot down a very expensive UAV.

Iran called his bluff and Trump chooses to back down.

 

It seems like the Global Hawk is a target waiting for incoming. Big, slow and no stealth or defense of any kind, not to mention very expensive. It should have been armed or escorted. The use of drones came a long time after I retired. It might have some of this capability, but none that I have been able to find.