The point is that Arab powers, attacking the newborn Israel gave a lot of "strategical political room" to move to Israel. While Arab countries became aggressors, they gave easy justifications also to the powers supporting Israel in those years [and US and USSR, Washington and Moscow, were together in supporting Israel at the beginning of its history ...]. After WW II and in a historical context where to displace entire populations because of political reasons was common [think to the Soviets under Stalin ...], it wasn't so unacceptable to see Palestinians leaving those lands. To say all, in the West people [and governments] cared a nut about this ...
I really do not see that as an excuse for what is going on today. Israel is carrying out an organized program of ethnic cleansing. They are stealing the homes, farms and possessions of residents. They are ruling Palestinians with military law as an occupation army with no representation for those living under their occupation. This is allowing numerous related crimes, as Israelis living in settlements that even Israel recognizes as illegal are carrying out attacks on Palestinians. Settler "price tag" attacks are particularly disturbing, as these are cases where when Israel makes policy that settlers don't like, they take it out on Palestinians which comes back on Israel in the form of unrest! You may remember that a recent such attack involved the burning to death of an 18 month old who was in his parent's house. These are assaults on civilians for political purpose - the definition of terrorism. Yet, they are routinely ignored by Israeli military police. The injustice and disenfranchisement here can not be excused. There is no way to do that.
Why choose? We have enough firepower and manpower to raze them both to the ground. I have no care for either. I'd only like to fence off Israel and blockade sea access. But since people won't stop badgering on about it then I'm quite happy to decimate both countries. Win win.
The problem is that the Arab countries were not the aggressors in 1948. They were coming to the defense of the Arabs who's civil rights had been violated first by the British in 1922 with the Mandate for Palestine and more specifically by the Zionist European immigrant Jews in the days leading up to the founding of Israel. It was the Zionist European Jews that used terrorism, murder, and coercion to force hunderds of thousands of Arabs from their homeland. It was the Zionist European Jews that, without the consent of the people of Palestine, aggressively occupied territory with a military force denying Arabs their homeland. The Arab nations came to the defense of the Arab people in Palestine and they were not the aggressors in 1948. Yes, both the US and USSR supported the new state of Israel and this strange alliance of opposing political ideologies should be the first indication that there was a serious problem with the position of the US where it sided with a government based upon tyranny. That displacement of entire populations has also been universally condemned except in the case of the immigrant Zionist European Jews that invaded Palestine. We need only remember that Israel is founded upon the ideology of Jewish Supremacy in Israel which if virtually identical to the Nazi ideology of Ayran Supremacy for Germany. We cannot condemn one without condemning the other.
We must stay with Israel, in order to defend them from Iranian terror. The USA must continue to love, support and die for Israel's defense.
You know before WW2.. the population of Palestine doubled in 15 years with the influx of European refugees.. They didn't speak Arabic, hated the Arab culture .. Most were socialists.
You seem not to like the truth either! Injeuin gave an answer back on the first page. Hamas and Hezbollah Et al, are terrorist groups. They deserve no quarter because they have no rule of law, and not least but last they intentionality target women and children and other non combatants. reva
Hamas is a response to the continued theft of land and water and the destruction of ancient olive groves.. Hezbollah keeps Israel out of Lebanon because Israel tried many times to take Lebanon's rivers.
Wars change borders. So there are many borders that are different than they are now. Many nations that lose in war do not get their lands back when they are claimed by the victor. Fair or not that is reality. reva
Israel is still the Western democracy with the highest percentage of Arab population. Your comparison crashes against this simple reality ... If this Jewish Supremacy is real why around the 20% of the Israeli population is Arab?
In fact [today in the West, overall in America, it seems a forgotten past to hide] the early Israel was a socialist state more near to the Soviet Union than to the Western democracies.
If Israel was founded upon Democracy then it would have been created by popular vote of all those living in Palestine in 1948. It wasn't. Had a democratic vote actually taken place in 1948 then Israel would not exist because the "partition plan" recommendation contained in UNGA 181 would have been voted down by a 2:1 margin. The Arabs, that represented 2/3rds of the people in Palestine, where highly opposed to the partition plan recommendation by the UN General Assembly. Only 20% of Israeli citizens are Arabs because the rest were forced out of Israel by terrorism, murder, and coercion in 1948. Had the Zionist Jews that immigrated from Europe not forced out between 400,000 and 700,000 Arabs in 1948 the percentage of Arabs in Israel would be more than 50% today and, in fact, would have exceeded 50% in 1948 as well.
Mmh ... states don't come to existence through democratic processes [US needed a war to obtain independence, Italy and Germany the same ... and so on ...], so your comment is quite out of context as for the creation of new states. Anyway, as for I know, when Hezbollah launched rockets towards Nazareth the IDF saved all, carrying Nazareth citizens to holiday villages along the coast. IDF didn't ask to Nazareth citizens "are you Jew or Arab?". This is why a friend of mine, an Arab Israeli living in Nazareth, prefers to be Israeli than "Palestinian".
You refer to the ideology of military imperialism that was ended in the 20th Century. WW II was exclusively about ending military impersialism where military might changed national borders. It wasn't about the plight of the Jews under the Germans. It wasn't about the plight of the Chinese under the Japanese. It was exclusively about a rejection of the acquisition of territory by acts of war. If there is any doubt about this we need only read the statement by the UN Security Council, speaking on behalf of all member states to the UN Treaty, in 1967 when it stated, "Emphasizing the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war..." Territorial acquisition by acts of war is not accepable and WW II settled that matter once and for all.
The People of the United States did not take territory from any other nation. The took control of the territory for the people living in the territory. We need only remember that England really had no right of territory to the Americas except by declaration on behalf of the king. Where I do have a problem with the founding of America is that the native inhabitants (Native-American) rights were violated as they were denied representation and the right to vote in the process. American was unquestionably founded upon WASP Male Supremacy and we always been plagued by that but it was not embodied in our expressed political ideology that stated "all men are created equal." As noted Israel did not take control for the people living in the territory because 400,000 to 500,000 of those people were, by acts of terrorism, murder, and coercion, forced from the territory. Hezbollah, in part, is a civilian Lebanese militia and is not Palestinian. Of course Hezbollah only exists because of numerous Israeli invasions of Lebanon.
???? The "People of the United States" took territory from the Natives ... Ah OK, I'm reading the second paragraph of your post ... Anyway take note: the "Americans" came from Europe at a certain time. The difference between Israel and America is that in Israel Jewish communities were there when the great recent Jewish immigration arrived, I'm not aware of European communities already there when Western colonists arrived at the coast of Northern America ... Your comparison is damaging a lot your political stance ...
From a general perspective I don't exclude the possibility. Being Italian ... Italy has got very good relations with Israel, but also our relationships with Iran cannot be defined "unfriendly", you know. It will depend on all the actors on the scene. Anyway if we have to make a choice ...
This is ridiculous! Territory is territory. Doesn't matter what you call it. Space is space. Geez. I don't approve of Israel either but at least show compassion to conquered indigenous.
