Iran repopulates Syria with Shia Muslims to help tighten regime's control

Litwin the US has long been on such agenda way before Russians got their hands over it. Before 2011 there were barely a hundred thousand kurds living only in and around Afrin. How bout now? Forget about Syria, how bout Vietnam, Laos, Afghanistan, north & northeast of Pakistan, Salvador, Nicaragua, Yemen, iraq, Guatemala? These poor countries had to face either heavy civil wars or US military interventions all due to their rural structures and demographics that were needed to be changed in a desired way.

Btw some Saudi mentioned about over population before 2011 in Syria. 80% of the country is deserted. Even those yellows and blacks you see on uamap dont mean those US proxies have full control over those lands. Its just Turks Russians and Iranians are not touching them YET. Roughly the same portion of the lands today still unoccupied. They are in and around the small towns cities and villages. I've been to Syria many times during the last couple years. So i can tell.

Secondly, people of this forum seem they dont know who alawites are. They have absolutely nothing to do with Persians or their Shiite branch even though they are considered as followers of a subbranch. It is true to some extent but the reality is alawites have only two particular nationality. One Turkish and second SYRIAN Arab. Other than these two if claim they are alawites, they do lie or they dont know what they are. Simple as that. Kurds are not and cannot be alawites. If they think they are then they are no kurds but can be Zaza or Turkmen at their most. In that case they are again no Kurds. Why? Because alawites just as Jews, inherit their religion. They pray together women and men at the same time and same place unlike other islam branches. Women dont wear burqas. Their fastings are different.

Thats why wahabis and sunnis consider them out of religion and dont like them. Turkish alawites are rooted to Syria and since it was part of ottomans Syrian Arabs and Turks got mixed. So Turkish, along with Turkmens of Syria and Syrian Arabs can be alawites but NO kurds. Zazas originally from Persia and most of them mixed with Seljuk Turks.

Why kurds didnt mix enough to inherit it? Because they historically belong to Zagros mountains on Iraq Iran border and got nothing to do with Anatolia or Syria. Yavuz was the guy who brought them down from Zagros mountains first to Iranian Ottoman border city Hakkari to make a "buffer stronghold" out of them against Iran as kurds were also sunnis like ottomans and Iran was Shiite. The clashes in between these 2 powers were due to that difference in branches majorly. Yavuz had secured the border with Kurds against Iran and could focus on Europe. Im talking about 15-16th centuries. One more note: kurdish is an ancient dialect of Farsi. It is not an independent original language. Who claims these are false, bring it on...

 

But then you should have liked the Soviet Union since the only difference was that their one world government was controlled by the Soviets while George Soros' will be controlled by the corporations. Either way it is slavery of the masses.

 

The question is who own the corporations. One Spaniard traced them all to 4 or 5 small corporations, but he couldn't find out who the owners were.

 

zhanna tell me more about it, how it works?

 

Overpopulation and Drought in Syria's 5 year civil war.

Excerpt:

Crop failure caused by Syria’s worst drought in hundreds of years forced millions of destitute farming families and other rural residents to migrate to the country’s urban areas, resulting in what the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace called a “severe social crisis.” These multitudes of vulnerable, displaced persons became what amounted to social tinder or fuel in the eventual conflagration that consumed Syria.

Syria’s population explosion in the latter 20th century was also extremely destabilizing and contributed to the catastrophe. The population exploded from a mere three million in 1950 to more than 22 million in 2012. With this increase in the number of water consumers, the country’s total per capita renewable water availability plummeted by nearly 90 percent, from 5,500 cubic meters per year to under 760, to a condition of absolute water scarcity.


http://www.capsweb.org/blog/overpopulation-drought-and-syria’s-devastating-five-year-civil-war

 

Overpopulation in Syria is totally different than overpopulation in Syrian CITIES.

Let's get that sorted out first... By the same token it could have been said that the world is overpopulated despite the concrete fact that the entire 6 billion could be settled only in Australian continent by 1000 square ft land given each individual. So the world, just as Syria, is NOT overpopulated, cities are...

 

This is not the first writer to note Syrians ignoring birth control:

In a 2010 Reuter’s article entitled, “Syria grapples with surging population,” written before the outbreak of the social strife and civil war, Reuter’s correspondent Alistair Lyon described one taxi driver in Damascus with two wives and nine children who planned to marry a third wife soon.

He said that Allah would choose how many children he had and that he had no intention of interfering with Allah’s prerogative by using contraceptives.

Traditional attitudes like these toward preferred family size and family planning may have been appropriate at a time when infant mortality rates were high, but as modern Western medicines (antibiotics, vaccines, etc.) became available in the latter 20th century, sharply reducing the death rate, one logical outcome was that population growth surged.

And this surging population entailed myriad environmental, economic and social consequences – stiffening competition for diminishing resources; increasing traffic, air and water pollution; huge classroom sizes and substandard education; unemployment; overburdened health care, social services and utilities, and so forth.

Back in 2010, when Syria still had a future that was a mix of promise and peril – just before the bottom fell out – Nabil Sukkar, a Syrian economist formerly with the World Bank, told Reuter’s:

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And now Syria’s population problem has become Jordan’s, Turkey’s, Lebanon’s, Iraq’s and Europe’s refugee problem, and to a smaller extent, the U.S.’s. Acknowledging that other social, cultural, political and religious conditions also contributed to Syria’s current debacle, just imagine how much more manageable the refugee crisis would have been if there were still just three million Syrians (the 1950 population) instead of the 2012 population of 22 million.


Syrian refugees stream toward Europe.

Billions of people the world over, like the Damascus taxi driver, still believe the number of children they have is Allah’s or God’s choice alone, and not their own, effectively acquiescing to large family sizes and a population explosion with all its attendant implications.

But God’s way of sorting it all out means resorting to the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse in the Book of Revelation. One would have hoped for better in the 21st century.

http://www.capsweb.org/blog/overpopulation-drought-and-syria’s-devastating-five-year-civil-war

 

It "doesn't appear" right at all litwin.

Here you go bruh:

https://syria.liveuamap.com/

 

did you see R Koplan video form 2000? he named Syrian overpopulation as the main cause for Syrian future problems, sunni arabs were poor, oppressed, so they vote like kurds do in turkey, vote with own v&ginas ... Syria had other population balance 70 years ago, kurds 25%, alwiets 40 or so, Christians 15, ...

you are wrong, http://ecologicalfootprint.com/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecological_footprint

 

the best prediction of this conflict , really great ..

[video=youtube;MYyEO_njofA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYyEO_njofA&t=186s[/video]

 

then they say that assads are smart people, from 3 to 22 mil. with same numbers of olive treas ...

 

There's no parsing the words. When millions of farmers abandon their farms to flood into the cities there's a severe social crisis. Over population is just how many people per square mile.. its also about arable land, water assets and sustainability.

IMO the Alawite leadership are lower than pond scum. Assad may have been living in a bubble in Damascus, but he could have ordered a campaign to push birth control 15 years ago. Now Syria's overpopulation problem is Europe's problem.

 

Your post had some interesting and insightful comments, but there are also some points in your post that aren't exactly accurate and require greater elaboration.

1- While Kurdish is an Iranian language related to Persian (Farsi), it is not a dialect of Persian but considered a separate language. The Kurds, incidentally, are an Iranian people and believed to be descended from the ancient Medes.

2- The Alawites do have secretive practices and and beliefs that in some ways distinguishes them from many other Muslims, both Shia and Sunni. But they are nonetheless considered Shia by Iran, and consider themselves, part of the Shia sect as well, despite their rather 'unorthodox' views. Indeed, the Alawites are even considered to be followers of the same sub-sect within Shia Islam, namely "Twelver school Shia Islam", as the people in Iran.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alawites

3- The fact that Iran is willing to embrace the Alawite as not just Muslims, but Shia, does illustrate the fact that the Shia (as a minority within Islam) are ultimately far more tolerant in accepting theological differences compared to the Sunnis generally (and certainly the Wahhabis in particular). Indeed, there are many Sunnis (particularly the Wahhabis) who often brand even mainstream Shia as heretics and do not consider them Muslims.

4- To say the Alawites have nothing to do with the Persians is going a bit too far. Indeed, the 3 major figures which the Alawites revere in their triad are:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alawites

Imam Ali, of course, being the first Shia Imam and the figure from whom the Shia sect ("Shia Ali" or followers of Ali) takes its name. Salman the Persian, on the other hand, being Persian is far more important figure to Iranian Muslims than to other Muslims except the Alawites.

I should also mention that the Alawites celebrate the ancient, pre-Islamic, Iranian festival of Nowruz, which is celebrated to this day as the Iranian New Year and the most significant holiday in the Iranian calendar. So, all in all, it might be a bit of an exaggeration to say that the Alawites have nothing to do with the Persians or Shia!

Thanks for your comments and I hope you don't me correcting you (or at least bringing a different perspective) on the issues you raised.

 

is it only Iran which has handled Asiatic demography in MENA? and its about not just contraception , its culture , development, economy, education, etc. sunni arabs in eastern part of Syria have nothing of these ...

 

Really? Tell me more about Eastern Syria.

 

tell me what is new? i dont know , who live in Northern syria today? videos, pic,links ?

kurds live where they live and this is a fact , its a good to know the history but its just a history. telling you as your many 100s years loyal ally, what i think that you and kurds could rule entire this region , with respect toward Iranian interests

 

is it a poorer , less developed part of syria? unuseful Syria as Muscovy (lovrov) calls it

 

And that's where the Sunni live?

 

yes,

 

Is this accurate?



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Thank you. So eastern Syrians are large impoverished Sunni... as in 74% of the population.

 

yes i think they are around 70% , my guess less today, maybe 60% but still the majority for sure

 

todays map

 

Thanks for the reply. Let me say this first, I think Persians and Turks have tons of millions of things in common. Take politics, religion and language barrier out, they are same people in culture and tradition. Thanks to US and NATO we raise tension toward each other. Both sides have curvey beautiful ladies, what else do you look for as common grounds?

Kurdish is North Western Iran language and from its grammar to large part of its vocab and phonetic as well, it is almost same with Farsi. I'm no linguist but there are some thinking it's an ancient dialect of Farsi which changed in time. Plus, considering there is "NONE" (zero) written literature in Kurdish passed on today no earlier than 11th century and that was a poet in Arabic alphabet (just as all tribes living around the region back then had one way or the other some poets), Kurdish being an ancient dialect of Farsi makes sense. How many books originally written in Kurdish in Kurdish alphabet and translated to 20 other languages as a mark of having place in world literature? Important question.

And I said Alawites have nothing to do with Persians to emphasize the deep relation they have with "nationality" and "inheritance" just like Jews. I think you refer "ismailis" or "Bektashis" by saying they have secretive practices because other wise your narrative kind of sounds unfriendly. They have no secret practices whatsoever today. Bektashis (Turkish-Persian origin, largely Turkish) who in some extent related to Alawites of today used to have such practices due to Sunni pressure. Regardless of being Shia or Sunni muslim, one cannot be Alawite unless parents are. Alawites are Turks and Syrian Arabs. Period. I brought this up because there is a confusion in minds of some whether there are Alawite Kurds. No. Yavuz was the enemy of Alawites and ordered mass killings of many Turkmen and Turkish Alawites. Most of them harbored in Kurdish villages. Living among them as crypto Alawites. That's why some Kurds who say they are Alawites today are actually offspring of those crypto Turkmen Alawites so basically they are no Kurd.

 

Seriously. lol
If you take the language, religion and politics out..... that defines like 90% of culture and tradition! lol

Kurds are culturally and politically oppressed by Turks. So when Kurds are close to iranians... means Turks are far apart from Iranians.

They got a religious and so cultural bond.

 

i am 99% sure that alawites do have "secretive practices " today...