Iran Seizes Two UK-Operated Tankers

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  1. APACHERAT

    APACHERAT Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The Brits were good at it.

    France tried but always waved the white flag at the end.

    The USA era of colonialism was nothing more than geopolitics, being able to use gunboat diplomacy and to use U.S. Marines for punitive action small wars of "Crush and Bolt."
    That required forward naval bases that were coaling stations to reefuel U.S. Navy warships with coal.

    Hawaii, Guam, Samoa, Subic Bay Philippine Islands, Guantanamo Bay Cuba, Puerto Rico, etc.
     
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    notme Well-Known Member

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    You previously sourced that it was all chemical waist. And so now you come with a freaking blog to prove you're right. lol
    A blog... really? lol
     
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    notme Well-Known Member

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    Still... your "The reason was the EU embargo on Syria and the EU embargo forbids any country from providing fuel oil to Syria."...total bs.
     
  4. APACHERAT

    APACHERAT Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The Duffel Blog isn't a real blog, it's fake.

    Duffel Blog is an American military news satire organization featuring satirical articles reporting on national security and US military topics. It is often described as "the military version of CNN." It was founded in March 2012 by Marine veteran in response to President Obama being the Commander in Chief of the U.S. military knowing that laughter is the best medicine for social engineering of the military.

    Greenpeace supports Iran’s seizure of oil tankers
    https://www.duffelblog.com/2019/07/greenpeace-supports-irans-seizure-of-oil-tankers/


    The Best Duffel Blog Stories That People Actually Believed
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    Pisa Well-Known Member

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    For someone who pretends to hold international law at highest esteem, you exhibit a baffling lack not only of knowledge, but of any interest to understand what international law is and how it really works.

    Initially I didn't want to reply to your post. I'm angry. After all the research I've done, with quotes from and links to serious and reliable sites (not opinion trash on blogs based on conspiracy theories and wishful thinking), all you can come up with are lame tit for tat excuses and twisting the meaning of my words. Cold hard reality is optional in your worldview. That's mockery, not dialogue.

    For further information regarding the detention of the Iranian tanker you can contact the author of the short notice I quoted in my previous post. She's a senior barrister (Queen’s Counsel) at Brick Court Chambers, an exert in international law, with a particular expertise on sanctions. Don't forget to politely point her to globalreasearch, maybe she'll thank you for opening her inner reality resistant eyes.

    Yes, if a trade embargo on certain goods is put in place by Iran for any territories, persons, or entities in the world, and publicly announced beforehand, Iran will have the right to detain any ship passing through its territorial waters if it transports the prohibited goods to the territories, persons, or entities subject to commerce restrictions. No, I don't know what the status of the Hormuz straits would be in this case. Ask globalresearch.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Now you are just projecting your issues on to me. Your links have not helped your case. In fact I have often used the information in your links to show the flaws in your claims. You claim that what Britain did was legal under international law but have not supported that claim with anything valid. You have not provided any UN resolution that allows for such a seizure.

    You stood on the pillar that the EU embargo legalized Britains action but, the EU embargo is 1) not the UN - the EU is not the arbiter of international law 2) The EU embargo was for oil coming from Syria to EU - Iran was not shipping oil into the EU 3) the claim that shipping to a partly controlled EU entity in Syria legalized the action - a claim that Britain is making - has not been supported either by you or Britain.

    Lastly it is you that does not seem to understand how international law works. My point all along has been that if what you are saying in (3) is true - this sets horrible precedent Any nation could use such a precedent to engage in piracy against some nation they do not like.
     
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    Prove embargoes must be approved by the UN.

    Define "international law". List the sources of international law.

    Maybe if you do the research yourself, you'll finally understand how things work on the international arena.
     
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    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I notice the UK has announced that it will be using the Royal Navy to safeguard ships in the Gulf - nothing more about these European Countries desperate to be involved in a European Maritime force.
     
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    So your source is fake, and you got nothing but fake right wing rants. Nice.
     
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    the UK navy was present when they took the tanker. Them Iranians came by helicopter.
     
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    We had one warship there. It wasn't enough to watch all boats and so they have been advised not to sail through the area the past few days. Hunt decided to send another after Iran took the boat flying our flag. He also said he had been speaking to Europeans who were interested in forming a Maritime force to protect all ships. Now they have come out and said it will be the UK navy who will be protecting UK ships which suggests the Europeans were not playing or that the new Boris Government has other ideas. I would guess we would send what is necessary but it looks suspiciously like another UK following US 'Alliance' if Pompero or Bolton can find a way to attack Iran. At the same time if Europe says no, it is difficult for the UK to do anything else. There is no way they will say 'we made a mistake, lets swap ships back' which was apparently what Iran was suggesting yesterday. So Hunt chose to do what the US asked and they knew exactly how Iran would act - that was clear during the meeting to discuss the situation. So, possibly the UK wanted a European Maritime force, Trump wanted one with the US as head and the result is the UK protecting its boats in the area with a larger navy presence.
     
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    They took that ship by helicopter. There is video footage around of that.
     
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    Perhaps, though not as certain about it as you imply. Interestingly, though, Boris Johnson's dad is trying to jump in the limelight, suggesting sensible things that are nonetheless not going to make his son thrilled, especially since he is airing his ideas to Iran's Press TV shortly after Boris Johnson had chastised Jeremy Corbyn for appearing on Press TV.

    https://www.ft.com/content/9363bc0a-aef3-11e9-8030-530adfa879c2
    UK and Iran should swap detained tankers, says new PM’s dad


     
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    Nepotism is acceptable now, with Ivanka and Kushner.
     
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    APACHERAT Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The Duffel Blog was started in response to Obama and Valerie Jarrett social engineering of the U.S. military.

    Laughter is the best medicine.

    Democrats suffering from TDS should give it a try.
     
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    Yeah sure. You're brought it up to claim GWB was right and the invasion was justified. You tried to prove that with your previous source as well. Sounds we got a right winger making fake news.

    yeah, but the joke is on you
     
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    APACHERAT Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You were the one who fell for the Duffel Blog being real news.

    I tried to warn you on post #675
     
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    No it wasn't. It was some time away and couldn't get there in time. If it had, Iran would not have taken the boat. I am guessing you have heard the radio contact and think that means they were at the scene. They were not.
     
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    I mocked it straight away.
     
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    DuffelBlog rules. It's the milblog version of The Onion, but funnier.

    Did you say someone fell for one of their stories? :lol:
     
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    APACHERAT Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It kinds seems like someone did.

    There's always a fake news red flag in every Duffel Blog post.

    My favorite is...
    In the Marine Corps you will always notice that "Marine" or"Marines" when referring to U.S.Marines are always treated as a proper noun and the "M" is always capitalized (upper case.)


     
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    Love it! :roflol:
     
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    notme Well-Known Member

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    He claims that, while my first comment was: it's a blog.


    Do note. The claim made in that blog is a claim the poster tried to prove before with an other source. Seems the poster fell for it.
     
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    I am well aware of that. However it was not at the site...and to get back to where this began, the article I saw said more coming soon and now there is more. Basically it is saying again that the US wanted an International Maritime Force (under US) and that Hunt who has lost his job to a far more extreme person has suggested a European one...and basically that it depends of Dominique Raab (new Foreign secretary) and others what will happen.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jul/25/navy-to-guard-uk-ships-in-strait-of-hormuz-mod-iran

    So, nothing on Europe countries being desperate to join as yet but still it would appear not decided. Could even be the setting for sides in WW3
     
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