Nope I call it what I have shown over and over it IS. And sad that the taking of a innocent life makes you so happy.
FoxHastings said: ↑ Yes, because it means women have the same rights every other PERSON has And, no, you don't call it what it is, you call it what you want it to be....but , again, call it anything you want and see if that changes anything... it doesn't
Again I don't call the unborn baby anything especially something as ridiculous as calling that baby a teenager. I call the unborn baby exactly what it is. That you are in denial is not my problem that is yours and not calling it what it is does not change anything, it is still a human being, an unborn baby, that is killed in an abortion and brings a smile to your face when it happens.
FoxHastings said: ↑ Yes, because it means women have the same rights every other PERSON has And, no, you don't call it what it is, you call it what you want it to be....but , again, call it anything you want and see if that changes anything... it doesn't
You still stumping for the "zygote is a Person" narrative ? Good grief some folks never learn. It must trouble you that over 200 zygotes are killed every time a baby is born ... 200 people I supposes we should be trying to save acccording to you. but OK .. should we be having over 200 separate funerals every time a baby is born ? What would make you happy .. or should we be trying to save these 200 lives ... Tell us Blue .. what should we do ?
Should we not be giving the more than 200 babies killed at birth names ? Then we could just call them by their names
A tragedy really the over 200 babies killed during the birth of a baby -- should we be charging these doctors with assistig the deaths of hundreds of souls - treat them like the serial killers they are.
Are you suggesting these Zygotes are Kermit the Frogs relatives .. Why do you dehumanize these poor zygotes by comparing them to Frogs .. a lower animal .. so that you can justify their slaughter.
Wasn't talking about abortion .. talking about the slaughter of 200 people during birth.. had we aborted sooner we could have avoided most of this slaughter.
I suppose it would be like Pol Pot .. your dehumanization of these people.. to justify killing of hundreds with every birth.
You do realize lots of parents have funerals for their children who die before birth? That's their choice to make. And yes I still stump the science.
Yes .. I realize there are all kinds of folks out there .. do many a strange thing .. but, what this have to do with wanting to kill hundreds of innocent children .. for every child born. Why do you support ending the life of hundreds of innocent children - every time a child is born ?
You havn't shown nothing but your ability to engage in false logic - and lack of understanding of basic biology .. but OK these innocent children that you are talking about .. why do you want to kill them. What did these innocent children do to you ?
Not my premise .. its YOURS .. You claim a zygote is a person .. but there are over 200 zygotes killed during the process of birth = 200 people .. by your definition .. dead.
No your not .. what a laugh ..you are the one who has no clue about the science .. which doesn't say much given you claim to have studied it. Regardless ..You have defined the zygote is a person .. why is it that you want to kill hundreds of these zygote people .. If what you claim is true we need to ban pregnancy do we not ? untill such time as we can figure out a way to turn all those zygotes people you hate so much into born people.. Your joke of an agument has crucified itself.
Yes I am the only one who has cited the science and medical textbooks which you are unable to refute. And again I reject the premise of your question and as I have always said nature takes it's course in decide which are the fittest to survive as it does through all of nature. So stop with you non-sensical question about embroys which are naturally lost and the pregnancy does not occur.
I asked you for one citation that has not been refuted .. you have failed to provide .. but it matters not.. We are talking the zygote people .. and yes some are lost to nature .. in fact .. the zygote progeny most often fail to create a human .. nature is what it is.. but we are not talking what nature kills .. we are talking about the killing that you condone .. The placenta .. wontonly discarded .. hundreds of zygotes .. your "zygote People" each with the ability to produce a new human ... same as the first zygote person .. who will never get to see what his progeny has created .. as our zygote friend has long since passed .. but his children .. do you not care for the innocent lives of these children ? hundreds of them .. not just one. Why would you choose to kill these innocent lives ??? Yer done mate .. lost in every way .. your argument defeats itself .from the inside out.. you can't come upwith one citation giving the science .. the why this zygote is a person .. and if granted that it is a person .. you can't answer simple questions related to this new class of people you have created. Buggered from both sides I'm afraid .. damnded if you do .. damnded if you don't --- the ugly truth of humanity .. that we have to kill life to survive .. including "Human life" LOL or .. in your case .. the lives of many innocent humans... spuggered you are .. from back to front - trying to maintain this perch !!
I have posted cite after cite and you refuse to even aknowledge them with your simple dismissal and you have refused to offer anything scientifically peer reviewed. And please stop making this false statement that I condone killing. And BTW stop embarrassing yourself with your fallacious claims about hundreds of zygotes in the placenta. You do understand than when the woman cycles into her period of fertility once a month only ONE egg is released? You do know that once the one lucky little sperm that reached the ovum and pernitrates the wall the ovum releases a chemical that prevents any other little sperm to penetrate and the rest are carried our and killed by the acidity of uterus and vagina and expelled. So where do these HUNDREDS of zygotes come from? Here again from the science refute it with science. "Embryo: The early developing fertilized egg that is growing into another individual of the species. In man the term 'embryo' is usually restricted to the period of development from fertilization until the end of the eighth week of pregnancy." [Walters, William and Singer, Peter (eds.). Test-Tube Babies. Melbourne: Oxford University Press, 1982, p. 160] "The development of a human being begins with fertilization, a process by which two highly specialized cells, the spermatozoon from the male and the oocyte from the female, unite to give rise to a new organism, the zygote." [Langman, Jan. Medical Embryology. 3rd edition. Baltimore: Williams and Wilkins, 1975, p. 3] "Embryo: The developing individual between the union of the germ cells and the completion of the organs which characterize its body when it becomes a separate organism.... At the moment the sperm cell of the human male meets the ovum of the female and the union results in a fertilized ovum (zygote), a new life has begun.... The term embryo covers the several stages of early development from conception to the ninth or tenth week of life." [Considine, Douglas (ed.). Van Nostrand's Scientific Encyclopedia. 5th edition. New York: Van Nostrand Reinhold Company, 1976, p. 943] "I would say that among most scientists, the word 'embryo' includes the time from after fertilization..." [Dr. John Eppig, Senior Staff Scientist, Jackson Laboratory (Bar Harbor, Maine) and Member of the NIH Human Embryo Research Panel -- Panel Transcript, February 2, 1994, p. 31] "The development of a human begins with fertilization, a process by which the spermatozoon from the male and the oocyte from the female unite to give rise to a new organism, the zygote." [Sadler, T.W. Langman's Medical Embryology. 7th edition. Baltimore: Williams & Wilkins 1995, p. 3] "The question came up of what is an embryo, when does an embryo exist, when does it occur. I think, as you know, that in development, life is a continuum.... But I think one of the useful definitions that has come out, especially from Germany, has been the stage at which these two nuclei [from sperm and egg] come together and the membranes between the two break down." [Jonathan Van Blerkom of University of Colorado, expert witness on human embryology before the NIH Human Embryo Research Panel -- Panel Transcript, February 2, 1994, p. 63] "Zygote. This cell, formed by the union of an ovum and a sperm (Gr. zyg tos, yoked together), represents the beginning of a human being. The common expression 'fertilized ovum' refers to the zygote." [Moore, Keith L. and Persaud, T.V.N. Before We Are Born: Essentials of Embryology and Birth Defects. 4th edition. Philadelphia: W.B. Saunders Company, 1993, p. 1] "The chromosomes of the oocyte and sperm are...respectively enclosed within female and male pronuclei. These pronuclei fuse with each other to produce the single, diploid, 2N nucleus of the fertilized zygote. This moment of zygote formation may be taken as the beginning or zero time point of embryonic development." [Larsen, William J. Human Embryology. 2nd edition. New York: Churchill Livingstone, 1997, p. 17] "Although life is a continuous process, fertilization is a critical landmark because, under ordinary circumstances, a new, genetically distinct human organism is thereby formed.... The combination of 23 chromosomes present in each pronucleus results in 46 chromosomes in the zygote. Thus the diploid number is restored and the embryonic genome is formed. The embryo now exists as a genetic unity." [O'Rahilly, Ronan and M�ller, Fabiola. Human Embryology & Teratology. 2nd edition. New York: Wiley-Liss, 1996, pp. 8, 29. This textbook lists "pre-embryo" among "discarded and replaced terms" in modern embryology, describing it as "ill-defined and inaccurate" (p. 12}] "Almost all higher animals start their lives from a single cell, the fertilized ovum (zygote)... The time of fertilization represents the starting point in the life history, or ontogeny, of the individual." [Carlson, Bruce M. Patten's Foundations of Embryology. 6th edition. New York: McGraw-Hill, 1996, p. 3] "[A]nimal biologists use the term embryo to describe the single cell stage, the two-cell stage, and all subsequent stages up until a time when recognizable humanlike limbs and facial features begin to appear between six to eight weeks after fertilization.... "[A] number of specialists working in the field of human reproduction have suggested that we stop using the word embryo to describe the developing entity that exists for the first two weeks after fertilization. In its place, they proposed the term pre-embryo.... "I'll let you in on a secret. The term pre-embryo has been embraced wholeheartedly by IVF practitioners for reasons that are political, not scientific. The new term is used to provide the illusion that there is something profoundly different between what we nonmedical biologists still call a six-day-old embryo and what we and everyone else call a sixteen-day-old embryo. "The term pre-embryo is useful in the political arena -- where decisions are made about whether to allow early embryo (now called pre-embryo) experimentation -- as well as in the confines of a doctor's office, where it can be used to allay moral concerns that might be expressed by IVF patients. 'Don't worry,' a doctor might say, 'it's only pre-embryos that we're manipulating or freezing. They won't turn into real human embryos until after we've put them back into your body.'" [Silver, Lee M. Remaking Eden: Cloning and Beyond in a Brave New World. New York: Avon Books, 1997, p. 39]
1) I asked for "ONE" (1) citation which supports your claim - explains the why ... do you not understand the number one (1) ? instead 10 citations .. none of which explain the why .. I don't want 10 citations that don't support your nonsense claim .. I want one that does. since you could not manage the task .. I picked one .. nowhere does it claim that a zygote is a human ..never mind explain why a zygote is a human - aka "The Science" - Why would you post such a thing .. a citation that does not even make your claim . never mind explain why. What kind of moronic game is this ... posting 10 citations .. someone is supposed to look through them and find one that supports your claim .. some of them not even making your claim .. What a fkn joke.. You do condone killing .. by condoning extention of the creation process after the zygote has been formed .. Person 1... by doing so ..you condone the creation of many more of these zygote people . innocent children .. who will do all the work and then be slaughtered when the process is complete .. Do you not understand Biology 101 .. Mr. Biology 101 ? You are the only one embarrassing yourself --- where do you think these hundreds of children go ..when a child is born .. if not the placenta .. You then yammer on incoherently about a something completely unrelated .. a womans period .. what does that have to do with the personhood of the zygote .. completely lost... your argument crucified .. from front and back .. But hey .. what do I know .. Mr. Biology 101 -- tell me how many zygotes are killed in the process of human creation ? each and every one a human in your books .. for the rest of us a potential human .. but who cares what we think .. this is all about You .. and the inevitible consequence of your fallscious joke of a definition of what a person is.
Sorry you don't get to dictate to me. And yes they explain why the human zygote is a human being and are quite clear about. You have nothing but self-serving simple dismissals which refute nothing. You were just explained the biology of how a life was created which you still seem not to understand. There is nothing to condone or not nature is what it is. Your fallacious statements refute nothing.
