Is anybody watching "Rings of Power"?

Not having watched the show I have a question. Does it get very deeply, or at all, into how the Rings were made? I always had some interest in how the Dwarves made things but was always disappointed in that Tolkien seemed to just say "It's Magic" and let it go.

 

Not yet but I expect it is leading towards it.

 

It sounds like you tried to pass that off before in another thread. Could you reference that?

 

So, is anybody still watching this mash-up pile of political feel-good crap or not? I haven't even been back to watch any more of the "House of the Dragon" yawner, and haven't watched any more of this "Rings" thing after episode 2 at all....





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I will say that House of the Dragons seems to have a much better story and has won me over a bit. Rings is still kind of "meh" with a billion dollars spent on the show but virtually nothing spent on a compelling script.

 

I'll probably give "Dragons" another look -- just ANYTHING until we finally (FINALLY) get the release of "Babylon Berlin", Season 4! But this "Rings" thing has seemed to be little more than nice special-effects and some kind of political-correctness masturbation. I can live without it....








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Martin has been called the "American Tolkien" and is one of the major founders of the whole school of "grimdark" fantasy. The writers of Rings seem to be doing a Tolkien fanfiction and appear to be trying to transplant SouthFork to the Shire.

 

Im watching it and enjoying it. Im not exactly a LOTR lore expert, but I've read up on it a bit from the RPG side, and so far as I can tell, it checks out.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sundering_of_the_Elves#Light_and_Dark_Elves

 

I absolutely loved The Hobbit as a kid, but never got much into LotR. I tend to like more down-to-earth main characters and stories. I'm reading a series now about a paladin whose god died and now he's trying to find his purpose. But The Black Company series remains my favorite.

 

Not sure what the political angle is, but the show is getting interesting and lot more is happening, especially in the last episode.

"House of the Dragon" yawner indeed. Literally nothing happens in it.

 

Thanks for the tip about "The Black Company", which I had no awareness of until I read your post. Here's a sketch in the wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Black_Company





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Wow, once again a big fail for you.

The Vanyar, the Noldor, and those of the Teleri who reached Valinor are called the Calaquendi (Elves of Light) because they saw the light of the Two Trees of Valinor. In Quenya, the language of the Noldor in Valinor, all other Elves were called the Moriquendi (Elves of Darkness) in recognition of the fact that they did not see (and did not desire) the Light of Valinor, but later the Sindar were counted among neither of these groups. Instead, Moriquendi was used for all other Elves except Noldor, Vanyar, Falmari, and Sindar.[8]

I realize that for leftists such as yourself, EVERYTHING is about race, so naturally you though that "light" and "dark" referred to skin tone, because, what else could it mean to a leftie?

 

Lol, buddy, try actually reading my post. I already covered this. Why pretend you didn't see it? Go back to reading post #74. Rejoin the conversation when you've caught up.

 

If I was an insecure person who was concerned about what anons on the internet thought of me, and I had posted something that was just flat wrong, how would I respond when that was pointed out? See post #89

 

Congratulations, Mike -- that was, without a doubt, the best in this thread so far!

It's amazing that as have been doing our best to achieve a COLOR-BLIND society for the past fivey-seven years in this country, the America-hating Left continues to rub COLOR in our faces, every hour of every day, endlessly!







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I always thought there was a reason I didn't trust the Moriquendi, besides the fact that their girls wouldn't talk to me.

 

And let me know when you actually quote me posting something that "was just flat wrong." So far all you've done is proven that you didn't actually read my post before making false accusations. Let me know when you are capable of engaging. I won't hold my breath.

 

If you were "color-blind" then color wouldn't offend you. You wouldn't even see it, so there would be nothing to be offended by it. But maybe you could do what Mike wasn't able to and actually read the posts he faked "responding" to. What I actually said was that Tolkien mentioned dark elves. This is objectively true. He did. I also explicitly stated that this didn't necessarily mean they were dark skinned. I brought this up BEFORE Mike did, and Mike wasn't even aware of Tolkien's dark elves until I brought them to his attention. Now, something else I mentioned, and maybe this is where Mike is getting confused, is that the SOURCES that Tolkien drew from (specifically the Eddas) mentioned dark-skinned elves. This is also true.

All we are seeing here is the snowflake right blowing a gasket because their favorite hobby is finding dumb things to be offended by. The fact remains that at no point in time did Tolkien say that all of his elves were white, and it would have been lazy, dumb writing if he had. Why would there be multiple skin tones for humans but not for any other humanoid species?

 

LOL! Love it!

Here is the origin of your "dark elves"



You were trying to pass these sources off as Tolkien, which they weren't.

Dude, no one is arguing that there can't be dark skinned elves. As someone previously mentioned, one of the most well known non Tolkien elves is Drizzt Do'Urden. However if they did a movie of that and cast a white guy to play him, people would freak out. Meanwhile, you are pretending that dark elves (the bad kind, not the skin color kind) is what you were always referring to. Yet in your post...

You tried to have it both ways, you explicitly tied this to race while at the same time saying dark elves doesn't necessarily mean skin color. So what is the significance of dark elves in this thread? At what point did the conversation become about good elves and bad elves?

The real point was that you did this on purpose. For what reason I don't know, I'm not sure how you think you are moving the conversation forward when after being made a fool for trying to pass off other sources as Tolkien sources, you now want to talk about skin color AND say that by "dark elves" you didn't mean skin color at all!

When it comes to leftists, it's ALWAYS about skin color, which is why it's so easy for me what you're trying to do.

 

I'm going to stop you right there because all you are doing is proving you are unwilling to read. I NEVER tried to pass the Eddas off as being written by Tolkien. I specifically said they were sources that he USED. Not sources that he WROTE.

Several people have argued exactly that. And if you agree that there could be dark skinned elves, then there's nothing for us to disagree about.

. . . lol . . . dude . . . no . . . just . . . no. Drizzt isn't a Tolkien elf. He didn't even appear in any literature until at least the late 80s, if not the 90s. Drizzt is a drow elf. Drow elves are part of an entirely different setting involving entirely different authors.

I doubt it. Hell, there's a TV show in development now and I doubt the actor will be non-white. But we've had several fictional characters and even historical figures recast as white.

The only time Drizzt has ever appeared in visual media is in animation/video games. Has he EVER been portrayed by a non-white voice actor? I very much doubt it.

Try reading what I actually wrote. If that's still too hard, I can try dumbing it down.

I said the Eddas mention dark-skinned elves and that Tolkien mentioned dark elves. These are both facts.

See the above. And, no Tolkien's light and dark elves didn't equate to simply good/bad.

Yes. I hypnotized you into purposefully misreading my clear words. Clearly.

*Sigh.* I'll try typing slower. Let me know when I need to stop and when you need more tutoring. I never claimed the Eddas were a source Tolkien wrote. They predate him by quite a considerable amount of time. I said he USED them as a source, which is empirically true.

Whatever you need to make up to defend your blatant refusal to read what was actually written.

 

How can you claim to be color blind while being offended by seeing a black actor in a movie? I didn't even notice it until I saw the complaints in the internet. So what if an elf in a fairy-tale is half-black?

 

I only watched two episodes so so far no it might eventually they said they wanted to run it for five seasons. As far as I watched it doesn't do anything deeply except for boredom. It is however very beautiful. As far as the scenery goes that's about it though.

 

Nobody is offended by seeing a black actor in a movie. I think there are some people that complain about it and these complaints get the most attention because it avoids the real criticism that's a show is boring. Tolkien fans just told me it's completely disloyal to the story too so there's probably that and it's probably valid criticism that they don't want to address they just want people to consume their product.

 

To the above boldened area, yes you did. You did try to pass it off as from Tolkien, because my question prior to that was to source your contention from Tolkien. So there ya go.