We don't have the ability to deliver such a massive blow without either A) using nukes or B) massively increasing our forces deployed to the region, thus destroying any surprise we could achieve and telegraphing our intentions.
There's enough artillery within range of Soeul that their reaction would be hours at most. And if they decide to use nerve gas, we are talking hundreds of thousands dead before they can be shut down.
I agree unless we use aircraft from the state's. Even then, getting enough of them loaded and into the air without anyone noticing would be a MASSIVE undertaking.
To the point of being functionally impossible. Suffice it to say, any plan to go after North Korea is either going to have to use nukes or the planners are going to have to sit down and say "We are fine with the North Korean retaliation killing *this many* tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of South Koreans."
As long as Lil Kim don't know......is what counts. 3CSGs, the 81st Tactical out of Japan, Bombers and planes out of Guam. Bombers from our States. Subs with the Cruisemissiles, Destroyers, Drones, Helicopters, S Korea's ****. Japan's ****. Lets get those drones up and flying over N Korean Airspace non stop. Whack the mole.
That's what it would take. That first strike has to be so overwhelming though I just don't know that it could be done in secret.
Nobody is going to attack North Korea on Kim Jong-um threats and rhetoric. Kim Jong-um does not want to nuke South Korea Kim Jong-um wants an unified Korea, and might be now able to keep the USA at bay while accomplishing this goal What if he crosses the 38th entering the south with his 1.2 million man army? South Korea has 400,000 well equipped the USA has 40,000 in South Korea. USA starts bombing the north from Japan (USA has 125 bombers there) as it did so effectively during the first conflict. North Korea nukes Japan and the American base repeatedly. Just for good defensive measure North Korea nukes Guam as the next nearest active air force and naval bases the USA has and the staging area for any US reinforcements. So the South Korea and US forces repel the North Koreas, in comes China backing up North Korea. We start sending missiles from Aircraft carriers in international waters into the North, China retaliates in kind. We nuke North Korea, China retaliates in kind.
It isn't the weather that paused the NK crisis. Lil'Kim doesn't give a sht about the weather on the east US coast. It was China putting its foot down.
I replied to Cerberus, that God stepped in & created a diversion from NK issues.... The 2 hurricanes....
And how do you move all those assets without massively telegraphing your intentions? The North Korean government has the internet. You can't move that much gear without it getting noticed and people commenting on it.
And if its not done in secret, the chances of success go way down because the NorK's can either preempt it or move their assets.
I see no way it can be done in secret. Only the Reagan is docked in Japan. Currently as it stands we would have to move 2 of them into region first, and as soon as we do. Lil Kim will be aware and on alert. Although we should expect another ICBM test from Lil Kim since he was sanctioned again, and banning his textiles imports and some of his oil. Trump wanted tougher sanctions and Russia and China wouldn't go for it. All that tough talk from Haley has turned out to be nothing more than hot air, and China now knows it.
Interesting! In the 1930's, a lot of people thought we should just 'ignore' Adolf Hitler. Now, how wonderfully well did THAT turn out...? ."OK, you can all go back to sleep now!" . "Dude, they bought it!"
Home Forums > General Political Chat > Opinion POLLS > Is it time to ignore North Korea? Simply ignoring N Korea would be no more successful than all the other things we've tried for decades. However, finding areas where we could establish non-military trade with N Korea to replace the hatred and mistrust between our two countries might help over time. It would serve to divert the attention away from the constant threat of war. Yes, I know N Korea is a totalitarian state, but we've been trade partners with that description of governments since our nation became a nation. Is it possible to transmute intense mistrust and outright hatred of a society against another into something more positive? Yes, we did exactly that between 1945 and 1961, with Japan and Germany after World War II. There's no reason a similar policy toward N Korea wouldn't eventually work.
Has anybody besides me noticed how quickly North Korea has "fallen off the radar" of public awareness since Trump backed down and decided to use "sanctions" instead of getting rid of this extremely dangerous menace to the security of every person in the world? Prediction: Trump's "Cash Register War" against North Korea (meaning, of course, CHINA) will be about as successful in changing North Korea's nuclear weapons aims as trying to stop a tornado by farting at it.... Object lesson in Trump's "Cash Register War" against any nation that does business with North Korea: . "We'll punish China by stripping all store shelves in America bare to the walls!"
I submit that your assertion that trade with tyrants worked to establish trust and goodwill between the democracies and the totalitarians. Germany and Japan still attacked, and still started WW II, and still fought for world totalitarian domination. As a analogy, I don't think it likely that a virgin giving her panties to her rapist is going to protect her chastity. In other words, just as no good can come from chastity involving itself with depravity, or nourishment from mixing poison with food, nor can peace, or for that matter, freedom, come from mixing liberty with tyranny. As to North Korea, I recommend my interpretation of Yaron Brook's suggestion: annihilate North Korea, withdraw American troops from South Korea, and tell China, that's the way its going to be.
The main problem I see with your & Yaron Brook's suggestion is that China is a nuclear power and the 2nd largest economy in the world and a public supporter of N Korea and its nuclear program. Furthermore, China has publicly committed to defend N Korea if the U.S. strikes first. The question we must consider is whether destroying N Korea is worth the possibility that China and N Korea together might be capable of destroying the U.S. in the process. I submit it would take no more than 10 strategically placed H-bombs hitting the U.S. to totally incapacitate this nation in every way. We're more vulnerable than most Americans realize.
That''s the bet. We say no. China doesn't want a nuclear war at this time anymore that anyone else besides North Korea. China will trade the destruction of North Korean in exchange for the withdrawal of American forces from South Korea. South Korea is rich and strong enough to stand on its own two feet and does not need us.
Risky bet. China has made it clear they don't want a democratic country sharing a border with them anywhere. N Korea's regime is a buffer for them against S Korea. I don't know how strongly they feel about this or whether they'd risk war to maintain the status quo.
I agree, risky bet, but that's life. I'd argue, diplomatic appeasement is even risker, and would point to Hitler, Chamberlain, and Czechoslovakia as proof.
I think it is time to stop producing public statements condemning each test or responding to threats. 'Ignore' is the wrong word. I do think all options should be on the table and pursued with vigor. We pursued underground diplomatic talks directly, continue to squeeze with sanctions and continue to isolate the regime. We also prepare plans for an aggressive military action option as well, and defend South Korea and Japan. It is also time to float a balloon in Congress to specifically authorize covert efforts to 'change leadership in North Korea'. Let Kim Jung-in digest that language .
