Is Neo[Atheism] a Rational Religion?

No, I quite clearly posted in plain English. Atheism is the lack of belief in a god or gods. And by definition, is not a religion.

 

Exactly, that should be a signal to you that atheism and theism aren't simply reverses of one another (at least not in every aspect of the word).

But my point remains. You clearly refer to arguments made by other people in particular contexts, but you address them in different contexts and with different definitions. The crazy comes from shoehorning them into your contexts.

 

Crazy is other people [neoatheists] creating arguments in particular contexts that do not apply, I have no need to debate fallacious argument, and yes I often 'correct' their grammatical and sense usage errors in my response.

Atheism and theism are required to be exact reverses of one another in these types of discussions, all other derivations do not apply.

Atheism is legitimately a religion. Religion does not require a G/god. Little 'fact' neoatheists diligently sweep under the carpet and pretend does not exist.

Im still waiting for magicat to discuss his claim that a deity is required, but it looks like he went awol which is typical SOP around here anytime the burden is reversed requiring them 'support their statements'. Typical neoatheist approach. They like pecking away my position then vanish when its my turn to peck away at theirs.

 

as you are aware, atheism by definition is not a religion. In the exact same way that not playing baseball is not a sport.

 

FALSE: you have posted no supporting evidence what so ever. more make believe.

Yes you did post in english, with no supporting evidence what so ever, SOP for your posts, typical blind opinions, of no value.

That is a figment of your imagination
There is no such definition or inference in any dictionary. citation?

Anyone who lacks belief in the existence of G/God, believes G/god(s) do not exist. (agnostics accepted)

Do you know of anyone who lacks belief in G/god that believes G/god(s) exist?

 

as you are aware, I've posted the definition of both religion and atheism numerous times. Atheism, remains, by definition not a religion. It simply means the lack of belief in a god or gods. It's not a religion, the same way not playing baseball is not a sport.

 

As you know: No such reference or inference exists in ANY dictionary.

citation?

Do you know of anyone who lacks belief in G/god that believes G/god(s) exist?

 

Not that dictionaries are necessarily authoritative in philosophical matters, but I'm pretty sure you won't find a dictionary defition that calls atheism a religion.

 

The endless attempts at trying to equate believing in something for which there is no evidence to not believing in something for which there is no evidence requires twisting intelligent though to a degree that can only inspire hilarity.

is not believing in unicorns actually equivalent to believing in unicorns?

 

What do Quakers believe?

We believe that every person is loved and guided by God. Broadly speaking, we affirm that "there is that of God in everyone." Everyone is known by God and can know God in a direct relationship. We are called to attend to this relationship and to be guided by it. Quakers use many words to describe the Divine. Some of them include: God, the Light Within, Christ, Spirit, Seed, and Inward Teacher. [back to top]


Gods, the Universe, and the Eternal
Jains believe in the existence of gods, many of which they share with Hinduism. But these gods are not the most powerful being in the Jain universe, nor are they responsible for the creation of the universe. Jains believe the universe and all the realms of paradise and hell have always existed and can never be destroyed. They believe this about souls as well. In the highest level of moksha are Jinas, the enlightened spirits who have achieved divinity through the soul's liberation. Below them are the god

 

Definition of atheism


1a : a lack of belief or a strong disbelief in the existence of a god or any gods
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/atheism

Definition of religion



b(1) : the service and worship of God or the supernatural

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/religion

As you are aware, atheism by definition is not a religion. Just like not playing baseball isn't a sport.

 

rahl, this has been explained to you countless times.

It says, references, implies nothing to do with YOUR interpretation which is clearly a figment of imagination. Which means its not real, it does not exist.

There is nothing wrong with interpreting and offering YOUR OPINION on what you IMAGINE something to mean, however it has NO VALUE to anyone if you post nothing that demonstrates the reasoning and steps taken to your conclusion, if any exists, you have shown us nothing and your posted definitions show us nothing.

I cant count how many people that have told you this, and you know the old saying, "opinions are like aholes everybody has one", but if thats all you got well I guess thats all you got. No one is convinced.

feel free to try again with something convincing if it exists.

 

Pretty pointless post if you intend to refute that atheist Quakers exist as I have said, and dont you think its a bit self defeating to post the FACT that atheists quakers do exist then try to refute a known fact?

Godless for God’s Sake: Nontheism in Contemporary Quakerism


Paperback: 142 pages
Publisher: Nontheist Friends (February 1, 2006)
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Synopsis
Quakers from 13 Yearly Meetings in four countries tell how they combine committed membership of the Religious Society of Friends with rejection of traditional belief in a transcendent, personal, and supernatural God. For some of these ‘nontheist’ Friends, God is no more (but no less) than a symbol of the wholly human values of ‘mercy, pity, peace and love’. For others, the idea of God and ‘God-language’ has become an archaism and a stumbling-block. Readers who seek a faith or world-view free of supernaturalism, whether they are Friends, members of other traditions or drop-outs from old-time religion, will find themselves in the company of a varied group whose search for an authentic 21st century understanding of religion and spirituality has led them to declare themselves ‘Godless – for God’s Sake.’

We have been down this rabbit hole before and I and others have thoroughly debunked it. There is no material difference between believing no Gods exist and and lacking belief that Gods exist. Unless of course you would like to help rahl prove his logic that someone who lacks belief, believes in the existence of God?Otherwise its 100% semantic with identical meaning and function.

not believing in the existence unicorns is precisely equivalent to believing unicorns do not exist.

 

K. I literally just proved you wrong, with the definition of both atheism and religion. Atheism remains, by definition, not a religion. Sorry.

 

ok so thats it, thats your 'by definition proof'. Is this just a troll post? Its hard for me to believe you are serious, are you?

 

Theism is a religion.
"Theism is broadly defined as the belief in the existence of a Supreme Being or deities.[1][2] In common parlance, or when contrasted with deism, the term often describes the classical conception of God that is found in monotheism (also referred to as classical theism) – or gods found in polytheistic religions—a belief in God or in gods without the rejection of revelation as is characteristic of deism"......you seem to have a unique definition of "religion" and what it is, perhaps that is why the disagreement.

 

Of course I’m serious. I gave you the definition of religion and atheism. By definition, atheism is not a religion.

 

But rahl from your dictionary link by definition atheism IS a religion:

Definition of atheism

1a : a lack of belief or a strong disbelief in the existence of a god or any gods
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/atheism

Definition of religion

which by definition is: 1a : the state of a religious person

religious
which by definition is: 1 : relating to or manifesting faithful devotion to an acknowledged ultimate reality
[Atheists acknowledge NO God as their ultimate reality.]

which by definition is: 2 : a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices.
[Atheism is a belief NOT a fact]

which by definition is: 4 : a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith
[A single cause, a single principle, OR system........]

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/religion

All your definition proves is that the atheists religion has no belief in God.

Seems to me I have to the tune of 4 definitions that prove atheism By Definition IS in fact a religion, just like water is wet!

Its totally over the top absurd to claim your choice is 'by definition' when there are so many to choose from [by definition]!

That said its clear that by definition: Atheists acknowledge NO God as their
4 : Cause, Principle, 1 : Ultimate Reality therefore are in 1a : the state of a religious person, and it goes without saying that a religious person has to have religion to be a religious person.

 

Why don't you ask individual atheists what they believe, rather than telling them what they believe because of how you decided their label is defined? I find the best approach to persuade people is to listen to them and what they are actually saying rather than just labeling them and attacking the label, rather than listening.

 

The point is valid. We often use adjective derived from nouns to describe things and situations that are not the noun the adjective is derived from. We can talk about a parent's religious devotion to their child, but there is no actual religion there.

 

It need not be screamed. Religion is the belief in and worship of superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods. Atheism has nothing to do with that.

Some may argue that Atheism is also a belief. That's another question. But Atheism is definitely not a Religion.

 

yes, thank you for again showing that atheism, by definition, is not a religion.

 

Nobody ever said the opposite, except the thread starter.

 

Define "NeoChristianity".

 

Care to cite which words you are talking about? Thats called a noun modifier btw and the devotion shown a child could most certainly be not only religious, but extremely or even strictly religious. There is nothing in your example to indicate there is no religion.

Sure the Christian version, any version that requires a deity woujld not apply, but all the versions that do not require a deity DO apply.

and laughably some may even claim its not a belief! well this is a forum feel free to demonstrate atheism is not a religion, and please leave deity based definitions of religion by the wayside in your response since they after all are disqualified, by definition. LOL

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