Is Sanity returning? AP will cease using the term "homophobe" incorrectly

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  1. rahl

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    nobody cares what you acknowledge.
     
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    their rights are being violated.
     
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    RPA1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I said 'U.S. citizens'....not just myself. In any case, if you don't care about acknowledgment what's the big deal about pushing State recognized same-sex marriage?
     
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    How can that be when any man can marry any woman and get a marriage license?
     
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    equality
     
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    same way rights were being violated when any black man could marry any woman of the same race could get a marriage license.
     
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    again trying to draw similarity to race with how one chooses to have sex?

    That is insulting and disingenuous.
     
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    it's an identical situation. how one has sex is irrelevant. a same sex couple could marry and never have sex, just like opposite sex couples can marry and never have sex. one group is allowed while the other is not. rights are being violated.
     
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    no

    I did not choose to be white

    I do however choose whether or not I engage in sexual relations

    if your logic holds then every single special interest based upon activities should have laws passed for them.

    You are so myopic because you believe in your heart that being gay somehow makes you different. It doesn't.
     
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    having sex has nothing to do with who you're attracted to.


    why?

    I'm not gay.
     
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    Purifying the white race isnt a legitimate governmental interest that could justify such discrimination. Improving the well being of children is a legitimate governmental interest.
     
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    neither is gender discrminination

    which same sex marriage does.
     
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    If being gay doesn't make them different to the rest of us then why is it illegal for gay people to marry the person they love? After all they are the same as everyone else right?
     
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    Any two people of the same sex are prevented from marrying. Not just the gays. You wont find any marriage statute that even makes reference to ones sexuality.
     
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    Yet how many straight people are barred from marrying the person they love based on gender?

    But apparently it does of gender.
     
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    not just that, but dad can't marry daughter, mom can't marry son, brother can't marry brother.

    The more you look at it the more you realize that homosexuals want a special ruling just for them because they engage in sex a certain way. THey want to be a special interest with benefits just for them. Do they even need to prove they are gay? If not, then any 2 guys or girls should be able to marry so they can get the associated benefits.
     
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    because a legal kinship already exists.


    except they don't want special ruling. they simply desire and deserve equal treatment.
    how does getting equal benefits to opposite sex couples = special benefits just for them?
    you don't neex to be straght in order to marry someone of the opposite sex. just like in every state where same sex marriage is legal, you don't need to be gay.
     
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    ???? You still need a justification for discriminating against those couples who already have a legal kinship.
     
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    Because the courts use the absurd logic that marriages limitation to heterosexual couples has nothing to do with procreation and is instead intended to exclude homosexuals, because of animus directed towards homosexuals. It is this animus that creates the need for heightened scrutiny in the case of gays. The animus that creates this constitutional right just for gays. My brother and I have had no animus directed towards us so we can be excluded for any ole rational reason. Although, I would argue they dont even have that because of the new stated intent of encouraging the formation of stable households.
     
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    Wouldnt matter if it was one or 100 million. Constituional rights arent a #s game. And straight people who might marry someone of the same sex arent as desparate for societal acceptance as the gays are.
     
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    ยง 160.204. PRESUMPTION OF PATERNITY. (a) A man is
    presumed to be the father of a child if:
    (1) he is married to the mother of the child and the
    child is born during the marriage;

    Men and women can be treated differently under the law, because, they are in fact different. Only women give birth to children and only men can father those children.
     
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    ???? Is a gay person not capeable of loving someone of the same sex? I think by love you mean have sex with. Sex between two people of the same sex does not give rise to any governmental concern. Sex between two people of the opposite sex does give rise to governmental concern because of the potential of procreation.
     
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    Homosexual is not a race. You are pettifogging.
     
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    It is you who are presuming that State recognized same-sex coupling is a 'right' not me. I don't believe its a right. In fact, I believe that the pro-gay marriage contingent has no 'right' to disassemble the institution of marriage to include same-sex coupling that the institution of marriage was never intended to support.
     
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    no I don't. marriage creates a legal kinship where none existed. a legal kinship already exists in the example given.
     

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