Is Straight Pride a Real Thing?

doesn't it just make you furious that i as a white male believe i'm equal to native American females???

 

Of course I will. You put question marks around here. In other words, you are asking me what I want and what I believe, not telling me. So I will do you the curtesy of not telling you what you believe.

I want full legal equality and I want my relationships treated as just as worthy of respect and dignity as yours are. I do not expect to suffer from discrimination secondary to the gender of the person, that I choose to hold hands with, or dance with or love - at least not silently or passively suffer from it. I intend to make those who marginalize, demean or belittle my relationship, far more uncomfortable than they make me and my partner/lover/spouse by doing so.

As for 'affirmative action' it depends on how you define it, what its purpose is supposed to be, and where you are putting it. The biggest problem with most forms of affirmative action, is that we forget why it was needed in the first place, and we tend to let it hang around far longer than needed. Affirmative action is not really about solving individual injustices of discrimination. That is what civil rights laws are designed for. AA is about govt acting proactively to puncture deeply ingrained cultural and social walls that are otherwise indifferent to market forces which effectively deny access or opportunity to entire classes of the population.

Changes in society especially among the under 35 set, are moving so quickly with respect to how we see homosexuality , I don't know how much we will need AA. The dinosaurs are dying off and the walls are already weakening without affirmative action programs.

 

But you do want affirmative action for homosexuals-right

I believe in equality nothing more and nothing less.

 

Its closer to a 'no' than a yes. It has not be proven to me that we need it.

 

Since you believe in discrimination I don't support your cause.

 

I just knew this was coming. You are pretty predictable.

 

What EVIDENCE do you have that verifies your assertion that I want to, and I quote, "bully, harass and belittle gays and lesbians until they convert"? I will and can tell you that you are way off the mark, allowing your bigotry to supersede and intelligent discourse involving this matter. Such is the case in a world gone bizarre-o. This is one of the reasons why the current political situations are in the miserable condition that we all see before us; false accusations, meant to malign and silence any critical opinion that does not conform to you view of "the world". Is it any wonder why there is such great push-back against most, if not all things, Left? Not at all, being that both political streams have gone awry and refuse to discuss workable solutions to resolve the current issues facing Constitutional mandate, personal responsibility (how we all contribute to the chaos), rogue elements of the general and Specific governments of these United States of America, and what the Constitution of the United states of America is actually about.

 

"go back into hiding, or kill themselves." <---- denotes the viciousness in you. Is this the mind of many who support the LGBTQ movement? Personally, I think that it is, but who am I?

"It started long ago with laws to ban gays from serving in government positions or the military, efforts to use local police and courts to drive establishments were gays meet, out of business, outlaw their marriages, ban them from adopting children, and attack them in the streets." <------ similar actions were taken against Black people, who are the progeny of the former slaves in These United states of America, but this gives no excuse to the deliberate behaviors of some blacks, in regard to their criminal behaviors. Likewise, just because homosexuals were the recipients of ill-treatment, does not excuse the culture and behaviors of some homosexuals to turn around and impose the homosexuality upon the children of heterosexuals and the American culture at large. As for you "That is the only form of 'equality' you will ever tolerate." I say prove your assertion or leave the issue alone. With all of the time wasted upon being concerned with "acceptance" of homosexuality, focus on you because that is the extent of the power of the individual.

 

You tell me why I march, what I want as a gay man. Then I am going to tell you why you attack those marches, and what you want to have happen to gay people. See how that works? Next time try to ask gays why they march and what they want. I don't appreciate being lectured by some straight dude, about what my 'agenda' is. My guess is that I know the gay community and subculture and what motivates us, a hell of a lot better than you do.

 

Nonsense, from what I gather, your agenda is not to defend being a homosexual, which I have no problem with, no, you and the activists from the LGBTQ movement want to impose your behaviors on all, instead of keeping it to yourselves. It is not just a matter of acceptance, but of subversion, just like many of the SJWs who use minor incidents to exaggerate and exasperate police brutality; by the way, police brutality is more frequent in Liberal/Leftist areas, that in most other areas. The LGBTQs care less about "the rights of homosexuals" than subverting and establishing their agenda, which is a part of the Globalist agenda.

 

Thank You

As an equalitarian and civil rights activist, I hope I'm consistent regardless of race, gender, and sexual orientation.

Martin Luther King JR dreamed of a day when PEOPLE would be judged based on the content of their character and not the color of their skin.

While affirmative action judges people based on the color of their skin, their gender and in your hopes, also their sexual orientation.

I cannot support and I'm in opposition to any movement whose goals are racism, sexism, and discrimination.

I support equal rights for everyone-nothing more and nothing else

 

Nonsense, from what I gather, your agenda is not to defend others being a bigots, which I have no problem with. No you and your allies from the anti gay rights alliance, want to impose your behavior on all, instead of keeping your homophobic views to your selves. Its not a matter of acceptance, but subversion. Just like many other antigay advocates who use minor incidents at parades etc to exaggerate and encourage divisiveness and bullying. The anti-gay activists care less about protecting peoples religious rights to believe and practice, than they do shoving gays and lesbians back into the closet.

You did most of the writing for me, I just had to change a word here or there.

 

So do I. He supported the civil rights act of 1964, so do I. You seem fixated on AA, when gays are not even getting the basic civil rights protection King endorsed for race and creed, in any statute except in 14 states.

Make you a deal. You sign on for gay inclusion in pre- existing civil rights laws in federal law, and I will oppose AA for them.

Somehow I don't think you, the great advocate for equality for all, will take this deal.

 

MLK JR believed AA should be based on socioeconomic status not race and poor white people should be able to get AA along with poor African Americans and other disadvantaged poor PEOPLE.

 

Wow you are way off base. Put AA aside. It was not part of the 1964 bill, neither is any reference to socio-economic status. Do you realize that the 1964 civil rights act does not distinguish between black people or white people, Christians or Jews, men or women. It discusses race, gender and religious affiliation. Do you support adding a reference to ' sexual orientation' .

 

There was a time when italians felt they had to stand up for themselves
And catholics
And jews
And blacks
And puerto ricans
And cubans
And now gays
And trans genders

Do you think all of these groups should not be allowed to organize for equal treatment
Or maybe just some of them?

 

Interesting, you know nothing about me, yet you freely call me something that you have no evidence to support.

Hmmm, you call me anti-carefree and anti-lighthearted.

About being divisive, it is natural to make differentians

 

Why would you have pride in being straight? It's not like straight people have had to fight for any rights. THAT'S where the pride comes in: hard-fought battles to be treated equally.

 

People actually voted "Yes, straight culture is under relentless attack"?

 

I know as much about you as you know about me. I am a gay man. I have marched in gay pride parades, and I know a lot more than you do about our agenda.

You need to learn how to learn. It starts by asking questions rather than assuming you already know the answers.

 

I did not ask because I do not care about your sexual proclivities. It seems to me that people such as yourself are obsessed with sex and sexuality, when that is NOT the point of my contention. The point of my contention is having other people's sexual proclivities imposed upon me.

 

You did it again. Stop telling me what I think or what I am obsessed with, when you have no idea the scope and breadth of orientation on all aspects of our lives gay or straight.
I have long since gotten used to having the 'sexual proclivities' of straights imposed on me. If I defined every single on-screen kiss, or Astaire- Rogers dance, or every single wedding photo, or High School Prom, or every street prostitute waiting for her next John, , or every male/female sex scene in a movie as an imposition of straight sexual proclivities I would have to live in a cave to find relief. Straights like to distinguish between romance, love, and sex and dating, 'going together' , being engaged and being married and they should. Too many straights throw the whole package into a bin labeled 'sexual proclivity' or 'sexual obsession' or 'deviance' ' if gays are doing the same things or forming similar relationships.

Many straights spend a lot more time thinking about our actual sex lives and habits than we ever do.

 

The problem is many of the “I don’t care what gay people do as long as they hide it” do absolutely care when they see two men holding hands, or a peck on the lips, or a picture of a gay wedding, or have a male introduce his husband as his husband. Unsurprisingly, y’all care slightly less when it’s two attractive women.

Gay people want equality, nothing more, nothing less.

And we don’t really care what you believe or how you feel — they stopped doing that when your kind drug them behind trucks, tortured them for sport, raided their places of entertainment to arrest and accost them.

Yes, you are the victim here.

 

Listen and listen to hear (read to comprehend): It is solely indecent to exhibit sexual intrigues and doings in public, including many of the behaviors from heterosexual, who in reality are exhibitionists. My goal is to promote decency and high standards (true [natural] morality) from me and society. From your fruitless objections to anything and everything speaks volumes about your character, which going by what you have exhibited here is sorely lacking.
I did not say these things, because I do not care about your sexual proclivities. It seems to me that people such as yourself who are obsessed with sex and sexuality, when that is NOT the point of my contention. The point of my contention is the rejection of having other people's sexual proclivities imposed upon me.

As to your other INSANITY, you are grasping at straws, which shows you to be a FOOL instead of an intelligent person.

 

I have long since gotten used to having the 'sexual proclivities' of straights imposed on me. <----- speaks volumes and actually does more to prove what many say is the REAL objective of the LGBTQ advocates.