Because getting a degree in social work is a lot easier than getting a degree in engineering. I'm pretty sure most engineers could get a degree in social work, and most social workers couldn't get a degree in engineering. Generally, the more talented and ambitious someone is in a capatalist economy the more they get paid.
Sometimes, that's true. For example, a sociology professor probably gets paid as much as a biochemistry professor. There are exceptions to every rule. There was even a nazi who saved jews, oschar schindler. Oschar Schindler was a nazi who saved thousands of jews, however; generally the nazis did not save the jews.
So are you saying that generally, somebody who works harder will get paid more even if there are exceptions? If so, what is your definition of working hard? And on what do you base this assessment of hard work to wages?
Running is harder than walking Running for a long time is harder than running for a short time Studying calculus is harder than studying sociology Studying calculus for a long time is harder than studying calculus for a short time IDK how much calculus an engineer has to take but I'm assuming it's a lot
I don't think that's quite the same thing. I don't think even feminists are arguing that a female fast food restaurant cashier should get paid the same as a male engineer. But hereagain, your definition of "working hard" is necessary because both of those workers could be hard workers but it doesn't mean they'll earn or should earn the same pay.
I'm pretty sure someone who studies engineering has to study more intensely and for more hours than someone who studies social work....
If someone, no matter what sex they are, are physically incapable of doing their job, then why are they allowed to do what they want to? I am an officer in our department, if someone is incapable of a task, they simply do not do it. Someone who is able will perform the task. Have you almost been burned in a fire? Pairing up with idiots or incapable people is dangerous. It only seems as if I am finally saying it due to your inability to understand what you read. Did you watch the video? - - - Updated - - - Which is also why an engineer is paid more than a secretary.
Like many have said and shown the wage gap that does exist is largely due to choices not discrimination. That statistically given the same job, education, experience, etc. women actually make more. There is another aspect that I don't see people bring up, government. More men work more union and prevailing wage jobs. Two examples, the average wage of a longshoreman is over $160K and a truck driver doing government construction must be paid "prevailing wage" around here $42-48/hour. These are male dominated jobs. On the flip side while government is great at telling private employers how much they must pay, they don't pay well themselves. For example teachers a largely female dominated job.
Wrong. http://www.bls.gov/cps/cpsaat39.htm Where it clearly shows that in like for like employment positions women are usually paid less than their male counterparts.
That BLS chart is very poorly done, small sample and very limited differentiation. Really can we trust statistics from a government that won't include food and fuel in inflation statistics. Here's a WSJ article that speaks directly to the BLS statistics. http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702303532704579483752909957472 Another good article http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2014/05/equal-pay-for-equal-work-examining-the-gender-gap To speak directly to your argument, you say "in like for like employment positions" position is not the same as education, experience, and hours worked. They're are a fair number of positions where if a woman works as hard as a man she can make better money then her male peers.
The truth is the (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)s that want to perpetuate the 'war on woman' lie pick and choose statistics that suit their arguments.. For example - in order to portray the lie that men make more than woman, what the liars will do is compare a 20-year-old females entry level salary with that of a man - a man that has been in the same position doing the same job as the female - just for 20-years. Then the liars will call that 'income inequality' they will say "they both are doing the same job" yeah and that may be true but one has been doing it 20-years longer. Now in reality female college graduates entering the workforce make more than male college graduates entering the workforce in the same profession.
that one still only deals with the overall "wage gap", it is not specific to job types. again only dealing with the overall "wage gap" I actually stated the following "personally I think that if a man and woman are employed in the same position level with the same qualifications, experience and work ethic they should be paid the same. " - post #11 of this topic, do you disagree that men and women employed in the same position level with the same qualifications, experience and work ethic should be paid an equal wage? BTW this should work both ways.
I think everyone no matter sex should be compensated as much as they agree to. Overall and on average no, I don't think "that men and women employed in the same position level with the same qualifications, experience and work ethic should be paid an equal wage" Women cost more to employ, more leave, more benefits, etc.
This is an assumption fallacy based on hasty generalizations, you are assuming that because the average woman has more leave and the average woman gets more benefits that it applies to all women, hence why I was quite specific in my question to include work ethic.
If there is a wage gap - it's justified. It's their property, if you dislike the employment contract on offer then go elsewhere or go without. Tough (*)(*)(*)(*). There will come a day in the not-too-distant future when the concept of property has been eroded to such an extent as to be completely meaningless. The state will assert near total control over how you obtain it, how you use it, and who you trade it with. It will be state control by stealth rather than seizure. We're already halfway there.
Feel free to pay them whatever you like. Furthermore, to the extent that it is a real gap - it's justified. You're entitled to whatever you and your employer individually agree on in your employment contract. No more, no less. No exceptions. It's not a question of whether they "should" be paid the same, but of whether or not the state should forcibly intervene in the ability of individuals to negotiate their own contracts. On this issue I respond with an emphatic: no.
It is impressive to see someone evade so much in order to justify a belief. - - - Updated - - - Unlike some here I actually believe in equal pay for equal work regardless of gender.
Unlike some here I actually believe you should be able to offer your employees whatever terms of employment you desire, regardless of gender. So go ahead.
I feel the opposite - that by taking away the ability of employers and employees to voluntarily negotiate terms of their own contracts, the state seizes the capital and labor of each respectively - and makes both slaves.
