Is there a Solution to Gun crime?

In what way, so that we may discuss this I think we all could use a little more clarification. You have given us the what, now we just need the how and why. We are here to discuss after all.

 

It doesn't.

The well regulated militia is the "people", anyone remember who the
Minutemen were, and not an organized military, i.e. army, navy, etc...

 

Simply because well regulated Militias are supposed to be what is necessary to the security of a free State. It is merely the difference between Individuals who are entitled to the "character of a well regulated militia" and gun lovers who refuse to love their republic as much as they claim to love their guns.

 

SO what you are saying is that none of your replies have anything to do with the topic other then the fact that it involves firearms.

 

It helps if you understand the concepts instead of merely claiming what you do.

 

I understand the concept very well, just as I understand topicality in debate. Your responses have had nothing to due with this topic and in fact have detracted from the debate. You have contributed nothing to this discourse and we are all less informed about your views on the prevention on crimes with fire arms then we were when this started. It is obvious that you have no wish to debate the subject and just wish to derail the debate that has begun. So unless you have something substantive to add to this discussion I am sure I speak for all of us when I say that we are done with you sir (or madam).

 

It takes a clue and a Cause to understand this? Simply because well regulated Militias are supposed to be what is necessary to the security of a free State. It is merely the difference between Individuals who are entitled to the "character of a well regulated militia" and gun lovers who refuse to love their republic as much as they claim to love their guns.

 

I don't believe there should be any restrictions to gun ownership unless
someone has done something so horrific that limits would need be placed
upon that individual.

 

define gun crime.....is it any different than murder by baseball bat? Is it any different than a weapon loaded with a drunk and a cell phone?
crime is crime, regardless of the tool used................back to school with you

 

Liberals. For some reason, they will never just come out and say what they mean.

 

What do you know of the "character of a well regulated militia" that we don't know and why do you imply that we don't love America because we believe the 2A is an individual right?

Couldn't have said it better myself.

They never do.

 

yes, its called reducing inequality.

 

I merely make a standard assumption that gun crime is due to lack of wellness of regulation on the part of gun lovers who may keep and bear Arms.

 

And an assumption is all it is. It's about people committing crimes.
Whether they use a gun or a baseball bat is irrelevant.

 

Wellness of regulation should preclude that lack of it even with gun lovers.

 

Do you also mean a wellness of regulation for baseball bats? Pillows?
Rocks? Automobiles? How about any other items that can be used to
murder that aren't rights?

 

A well regulated militia is what is declared necessary to the security of a free State, not our wars on crime, drugs, poverty, and terror. Why not be more fiscally responsible?

 

Logic - where art thou?? Certainly no where near the post above.

Firstly you are comparing gun mortality with non-lethal crime (or are you saying that knife lethality equals gun lethality)

In any event it falls apart at this

"A launches an initiative to train and arm all its law-abiding citizens"

Where has that ever happened?

The average CCW is not "trained" in police tactics - unless you can prove that they have to attend a police academy or equivalent

And a "law abiding citizen" is simply someone who has not yet been charged with a crime - since a vast number of rapes are by people known to the victim then you may well be arming the rapists

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Pillows have the same lethality as guns - who knew?

 

Does this mean you're in favor of regulation of baseball bats, pillows,
rocks, automobiles, etc...?

 

Yes. You can be just as dead when murdered by a pillow. It's not
that unusual of a crime.

 

why? a well regulated militia can keep and bear those Arms which may be necessary to suppress insurrections and repel invasions.

 

only the noobs respond now...............the rest of us are familiar with your debate style

 

Once again you purposefully ignore the point because it is contrary to your agenda. The OP has deemed this line of discussion OT for his thread, which I intend to honor, but I will respond to this one point, because I feel it is in keeping with the thread topic:

The average CCP holder does not NEED to be trained in police tactics, because he's not doing anything remotely like police work. They need to be trained in self defense tactics and firearm safety. In my case, I had to complete classroom study and demonstrate pistol range safety and proficiency before I was able to even APPLY for a CCP.

I can tell you that the CCP holders *I* know are very serious about self defense and the responsibility that comes with carrying a firearm. They train and practice all the time. CCP holders are not the CAUSE of gun crime, they are the solution, as my simple exercise attempted to illustrate. A rapist being shot by his intended victim is not a problem for me. One incident like that prevents X incidents of rape in the future, causing violent crime to decrease and resulting in a safer society for everyone (except the bad guys). You can continue to advocate for the bad guys if you want to, I will do what I deem necessary to effect the security of my family.

 

and the fact that i tend to resort to the fewest fallacies. i got it.

 

It is apparent that you are confused about what the phrase 'well-regulated' meant to the men who wrote it into the 2A.