Is this a good place to begin dismantling America's failing health care system?

If you prefer right wing media to main stream media, you have no shortage of ideological entertainers to pander to your needs.

Forty-two states are members of the Common Core State Standards Initiative, an educational metric with considerable bipartisan support.

Trump, understandably, "loves the poorly educated."

What is Trump's "something terrific!" that covers "everybody!" and when will he unveil it?

 

Why don't you start by coercing the States to eliminate the anti-trust law exemptions against monopolistic hospitals and cartels, and pursuing anti-trust actions?

So long as you're going to allow hospitals to bill $55,000 for an appendectomy, then settle with insurance companies for $11,000 for a procedure that really only costs about $3,000, you're going to have problems.

 

You are free to do that if you wish, of course.

The pragmatic approach of following the proven paradigm of all advanced nations that cover everyone, and at far lower cost, does not prohibit other improvements - such as an inclusive Medicare wielding enormous power in negotiating Rx prices with Big Pharma.

 

They may have already unveiled their 2+2=5 (tax cut bill disguised as a HC bill) already, which is really nothing more than a pro-life + pro-birth = pro-death HC bill. It will most certainly shut the door on 32 million wishful thinking HC enrollees by 2026? They may want to see about getting those caskets ready instead?

 

I don't know many who can pay $3000 out of pocket up front? What makes you think those folks are going to coerce the states to work with them? Exactly! They won't. Why? Because HC is beyond their means. Those folks take the ride under the bus, not in it.

 

And what kind of progress has it been in the past when 50 million people couldn't have affordable HC under a free market system that isn't free, or isn't attainable?

 

"Republicans keep compainin' about dead people voting.
Why would the want to give them an incentive?"​

 

You got me.

 

That is exactly what Gruber meant when he called you a moron. I wouldn't say you're a moron. I would only concede that you are a victim of Common Core.

The only thing skyrocketing under Obamacare are premium expenses and people walking away from their medical debts. If people lay out thousands in premiums then can't afford deductibles, do we call them 'insured' or another Democrat lie that Gruber said Democrat voters fall for?

 

How are they successful? What's your metric? Longer life spans? Sorry but that is ludicrous. Of course it's far higher every one likes supposedly free stuff and the overwhelming majority never experience the trials and tribulations of actually going to a hospital in these countries. Britain has ambulance stacking health care professionals make about half of what they do here and that's especially true of the various skilled professionals in a hospital other than doctors. So how much do you want to cut the salaries of RN's, X-ray, and other radiological techs?

 

Non sequiter.

When you Trumpsters don't have a leg to stand on, which is most of the time, you make up equally idiotic things like this idiotic reference to Common Core.

You made a ridiculous false statement about the government taking over health care, a stupid claim repeated by the fool you probably voted for.

I just came from the hospital, where my wife is undergoing treatment.

Funny, none of the people there work for the government.

 

Which does not change the fact that Britons live longer than Americans do, and no one in Britain wants to get rid of the National Health Service. Oh, and did I mention they only pay half as much as you do.

Of course, they don't pay the overhead of insurance companies. Their doctor's offices are not full of back office staff trying to figure out how to code your bill so your insurance company will pay for it. If you need a hip, they'll buy the same one from the same American company that will sell you the exact same one here (for four times the price), and the won't pay for the television commercials for the pharmaceutical you probably don't need anyway.

 

You are clearly an ideologue who would rather obsess over the shortcomings of the Affordable Care Act that most sensible Americans recognize needs modifications than emulated the multiple proven superior systems that are inclusive and far less costly.

You may enjoy paying the inflated cost of medical care for the uninsured. It does not appeal to me.

 

On the one hand, you have the reality of advanced nations such as Great Britain, Canada, France, Germany, etc. providing quality coverage for everyone at around half the cost of the United States.

On the other hand, you have the ideal approach of Aynrandistan, its only drawback being its problematic relationship with reality.

 

I haven't seen a ranking of healthcare systems that didn't distort statistics and can't imagine the possibility of there being one.

 

Nail on the head old chap

Plus if you go into hospital you will not get an itemised bill that your insurance company will fight over. A "bed" will cost you flat rate per day - this saves bulk amounts per day on billing. We do have a system called "Diagnostic Related Groups" that help determine funding for our hospitals but it is not the only determinant of funding.

 

I tried out Obamacare before I turned 65. I had a knee in need of replacement. Paid for a couple of cortesone injections ,,, gel injections, spent thousands and never met my deductible --- all out of pocket. Between Medicare and my private supplement, mostly the latter, I got what I needed all along.

If my roomie on Medicaid needed a new knee --- without paying a dime in premiums ,,, not a red cent in co-pay and no deductible, she would have had that knee free of charge on my tax dollar. I love my roomie, but not that much.

 

Apparently, you are more comfortable in an echo chamber of Democrat voters who Gruber referred to as morons, but it doesn't change the facts. But, hey, don't listen to me. I won't feed you the drivel you want to hear. Listen to the 'advanced' countries.

The UK has one of the worst healthcare systems in the developed world according to a damning new report which said the nation has an “outstandingly poor” record of preventing ill health.

Hospitals are now so short-staffed and underequipped that people are also dying needlessly because of a chronic lack of investment. The verdict, from the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD), will make embarrassing reading for David Cameron who denied the cash-strapped NHS is heading for its worst winter crisis.

Staff are too rushed to improve levels of care that have in many areas fallen below countries such as Turkey, Portugal and Poland. Almost 75,000 more doctors and nurses are needed to match standards in similar countries the OECD said in its annual Health at a Glance study comparing the quality of healthcare across 34 countries.

While access to care is “generally good” the quality of care in the UK is “poor to mediocre” across several key health areas, obesity levels are “dire” and the NHS struggles to get even the “basics” right, the report said citing a lack of investment over the last six years.

Britain was placed on a par with Chile and Poland as countries still lagging behind the best performers in survival following diagnosis for different types of cancer. The UK came 21st out of 23 countries on cervical cancer survival, 20th out of 23 countries on breast and bowel cancer survival and 19th out of 31 countries on stroke.

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...-world-according-to-oecd-report-a6721401.html

You thought Cuba was advanced at one point. When will you learn?

 

"not that much"?

That's a really revealing statement

 

Hmmmmm...Forbes has England ranked first with the US 11th as recently as 2014

https://www.forbes.com/sites/danmun...-compared-to-10-other-countries/#57b98672576f

 

Every nation which has switched to nationalised health had to tackle these issues. It'll sting for a bit, but it's a necessary part of such a fundamentally positive change.

FTR, I live in a country which has had nationalised health for decades, and we have a very high standard of public health care, PLUS a reasonable health insurance industry. There will always be a demand for private health cover from people who still think it means they're special/rich/fancy (in a country with excellent public health care, it means nothing .. but some people are stuck in the past).

 

Exactly! America's health care system is barbaric and primitive.

PS: the high infant mortality rate (and postpartum maternal mortality) in America is a result of the very high intervention rates (epidurals, induced labors etc) and the crazy number of non-medically necessary c-sections. American women appear to be very poorly informed about the risks associated with interventions. European women are generally better informed and, and better prepared for the experience of childbirth with as little intervention as possible. They're willing to accept a few hours of personal pain in the interests of safety for themselves and their child.

 

We achieved it decades ago, so it looks as though America will be close to a century behind by the time it happens. Crazy.

 

What's revealing is that Obamacare is tilted away from those who made correct decisions and toward those who screwed up. It rewards screwing up like all of the entitlement programs. Why would anyone want to succeed when screwing up is so much more rewarding? The US has made mistakes but it success outstrips any other country with its lifespan because we reward success, not failure.

 

What's revealing is how little you care for anyone but yourself...including your "room mate".