Is this the universal basic income that Americans will buy?

Would you care to give an example.

 

Look at all the welfare programs in existence for the poor, disabled, and elderly.

 

Here are some programs as an example.

Section 8 housing assistance. I don't know if they still call it section 8.
Meals on wheels, meals delivered to the elderly who can't cook themselves.
Food Stamps.
Medicaid, healthcare for poor and disabled.
SSI for the poor elderly and poor disabled.

 

So your voting based on wanting free ****?

 

If by free stuff you mean lifting me out of poverty, then yes.

 

Why can't you lift yourself? Specifically?

 

Well first if we paid a 50% tax you would get almost 100,000 a year.

I am very surprised at your take. usually conservatives favor consumption taxes. Since you would need to spend 100,000 a year on stuff every year for it to break even. I would think that only the top 5% would lose on this deal.
man and wife making 250,000 would still bank money.

I like the idea that you give people on public assistance a way out. they either take the 12,000 and get off the dole and get a job or stay on the dole. I think more than 1/2 would then look for work. And with most of our of our nation with an extra 5-10,000 to spend that money would likely be spend locally with a resulting job creation.

 

Your math seems fuzzy but I am too drunk to analyze it at the moment.

 

Maybe he should spend more time earning a living and less time posting to the internet?

 

Do what other people do find a better job and work hard.

 

I can't work 8 hours a day, 5 days a week, competitively. I have an invisible, mental disability. Well, it's a schizoaffective disorder. That's schizophrenia and depression. Right now I have a part-time, minimum wage job: 2 hours a day, 2 days a week. That's about all I can do.

If I were to go on disability, a monumental task in itself, I would get $500 per month from Social Security and SSI combined. I can't live on that.

If Yang gets elected, then I would have $1000 a month instead of $500. I still can't live on that, but it would help me pay off debts. Maybe go back to college.

 

Anyway, if you don't like Yang, this topic is about another direction to go in for giving people money.

 

You should remain living with family, rent free, and work as much as you can manage. Save every cent you make and invest it. Do this x 10 or 20 years and you'll be quite comfortable and secure. You may even get rich, if your investments are savy.

 

Oh is that what he should do? Don't do anything for 20 years while you bank 500 a month. What a wonderful life.
I guess that is what you call the American dream.

 

You cant lift yourself out of poverty?

 

Universal Basic Income is an immoral and failed idea.

Let’s not speak of it again.

 

No.

 

I want a Universal Basic Incom, even though it's immoral. But it isn't a failed idea, and I'm going to talk about it as much as I want.

 

No work no income. Call it charity and it might sell if there is a very good excuse for the recipient remaining idle.

 

Charities don't have the resources and reach to take care of everyone. That's where the government comes in... with a VAT tax to pay for it.

 

No work no income. The Left used to understand that. Regardless of where the money comes from it is charity, not income generated by work.

When the idle are paid a wage for not working the value of work and the working class is diminished. Government charity might be justified when people are unable to work.

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think this topic is about negative income. That would work if you want people to file taxes, which means they worked. And then be brought up to a specific value if their income is below a certain level.

UBI, on the other hand, would break people out of the welfare trap, where they can't work or else they will lose their benefits.

 

Didn’t it fail in a bunch of places, like Finland?

If Finland couldn’t make it work, we’d have no chance in making it work.

 

Finland shut down their experiment early. They weren't really interested in UBI.

On the other hand, Alaska already has a public income from oil revenues. It's about $1000-$2000 per person per year.

A UBI of $1000 a month would be 12 times the amount in Alaska, but some people are already planning to make it so with a VAT tax.

 

I made no comment on what he/she does with his/her time. I merely state the truth that living like a pauper and saving every cent, is a very good way to acquire financial security if you're not a big earner.

That so many people reject the idea as unpleasant or onerous, tells us exactly why so many people remain in poverty.