Is ""white guilt" an idiotic concept?

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Is ""white guilt" an idiotic concept?

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  1. hardcash

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    @Shiva_TD

    You make fake story to fool yourself.

    The number 0 was invented over 2000 years ago.


    530 BC – Pythagoras studies propositional geometry and vibrating lyre strings; his group also discovers the irrationality of the square root of two.

    300 BC, Euclid's Elements, the mathematical and geometric treatise consisting of 13 books.

    Archimedes,  287 – 212 BC. Archimedes anticipated modern calculus and analysis by applying concepts of infinitesimals and the method of exhaustion to derive and rigorously prove a range of geometrical theorems, including the area of a circle, the surface area and volume of a sphere, and the area under a parabola.

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    Who was the "great black person" invented the number 0?
    I guess you missed this in your stupid fake story.
     
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  2. hardcash

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    @Shiva_TD

    You do not understand one thing, that is, In history, Black Africa was 2000 years behind others.
    So what you said is a pure joke. And you even do not know it is a joke.
     
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  3. Soupnazi

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    Evidence needed
     
  4. acheter

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    You don't own the actions of others just because you might share some common traits.
     
  5. Pycckia

    Pycckia Well-Known Member

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    Not to disparage, but to understand. White anti-racism is understood as a coping mechanism for guilt. Guilt is hard to bear so you blame other people to make yourself feel righteous.

    You benefit from white privilege. How could you not? How could you not feel guilty over the unearned privilege you are afforded?

    To cope you post anti-racist diatribes about WASPs, to signal that it is not your fault that you enjoy white privilege, it is the fault of those racists who foist white privilege on you.
     
  6. TOG 6

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    The operation of your laptop is based on off/on; this is represented by 0 and 1.
     
  7. Greataxe

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    I'm a White guy with a trace of Native American ancestry.

    Anyway, I don't feel any guilt about what bad things my ancestors or racial group did. Certainly here in North America.

    I hold the Amerindians to the SAME standards as the European settlers.

    Like the Whites, the Natives had fought each other for 12,000 years to hold and gain territory. However, Native tribes didn't allow a system of reservations and welfare for their defeated foes. Whites have now ended 12,000 of almost constant warfare and bloodshed.

    Also, from 1492 on, Natives have offered up few positive innovations to the world at large:

    No airplanes, cars, telephones, cellphones, radio, TV, microwaves, rockets, modern agriculture, genetics, air conditioning, or democracy....
     
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  8. Bow To The Robots

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    The laptop was invented by (gasp) a white guy. More things for us to feel guilty about I suppose.

    here is a partial list of other things for us white guys to feel guilty about:

    • the tablet
    • the smartphone
    • the phonograph
    • the telephone
    • the steam engine
    • the printing press
    • the computer
    • the automobile
    • the robot
    • the artificial heart
    • antibiotics
    • the television
    • the rocket
    • the airplane
    • the submarine
    • the internet
    • pasteurization
    • the telegraph
    • the alternating current induction generator
    • the motion picture
    • steel
    • the x-ray machine
    • the AIDS cocktail
    • the incandescent light bulb
    • reinforced concrete
    • the camera
    • the microphone
    • the loudspeaker
    • the amplifier
    • the wristwatch
    • the apple watch
    • the radio
    • bluetooth
    • the refrigerator
    • the washing machine
    • molecular gastronomy
    • the helicopter
    • the cargo ship
    • the panama canal
    • The gas furnace
    • air conditioning
    • the corporation
    • democratic government
    • the scientific method
    • astronomy
    • the physical sciences
     
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    It is absolutely ridiculous. Whites are the only people on the planet that are held accountable for their ancestors actions generations later. All the while the idiots that push white guilt forget about white abolitionists, the thousands and thousands of white soldiers who freed the slaves, and the simple reality that there were a very small number of white slave owners to begin with. What is also unmentioned is that blacks slaves were bought and sold to whites only after they were captured by blacks in Africa to begin with. Yet there is no accountability for those blacks that sold out their own people, oh no, only whites need feel guilty about the whole slavery thing. Its pathetic that there is still whining about slavery at all...
     
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    Right idea but wrong target. You don't see the right wing accusing themselves of white privilege. That comes from the left wing and their surrogates and dependents.
     
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    Can you even take yourself serious? Only a liberal could say something so out there. I have learned a lot on this site. Thanks
     
  12. hardcash

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    Whites saved China.

    1) In the 16th-century , European believed that a few thousand soldiers can conquer China.

    "They (Chinese) rely entirely on numbers, ...that they can be subdued and with few forces."
    -- The Spanish Plan to Conquer China.


    2) In 1900, a small European army invaded China, it took Beijing and lost only 60 soldiers.

    Battle of Peking (1900) - Wikipedia
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    Photo: the "highly advanced" Chinese imperial army.

    3) In WWII, Japan invaded China, Japan took the Chinese capital and lost only 2000 soldiers.

    Battle of Nanking, Wikipedia
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    Nanking Massacre , Wikipedia
    The Rape of Nanking (book) - Wikipedia



    Russia and USA saved China in WWII.
    USA killed 1 million Japanese soldiers and lost 100,000.

    Russia defeated 800,000 Japanese soldiers. and lost 10,000 soldiers.
    Soviet invasion of Manchuria, Wikipedia
     
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  13. hardcash

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    The fact is that black Africa was 2000 years behind Europe.
    The number 0 was not invented by a black person.
    What you said is a joke, and you do know it is a joke.


    530 BC, Pythagoras studies propositional geometry and vibrating lyre strings; his group also discovers the irrationality of the square root of two.

    300 BC, Euclid's Elements, the mathematical and geometric treatise consisting of 13 books.

    Archimedes,  287 – 212 BC. Archimedes anticipated modern calculus and analysis by applying concepts of infinitesimals and the method of exhaustion to derive and rigorously prove a range of geometrical theorems, including the area of a circle, the surface area and volume of a sphere, and the area under a parabola.

    The Colosseum, which was built almost 2000 years ago.
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    The Palace of Knossos, which was built 4000 years ago.

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  14. Shiva_TD

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    "Black" Africa? I didn't know there was a "Black" Africa. I thought Africa was a continent and Africans were people that lived on the continent.

    People like the Egyptians that had one of the most advanced civilizations for thousands of years were Africans. The Nubians that were also a highly advanced civilization located in the Sudan and Southern Egypt were Africans..

    Of course we can refer to the Greeks and need to remember the origins of Greece were a dark skinned people presumably of African origin (but then we're all of African origin) called the Minoans.. .

    http://atlantablackstar.com/2014/04/16/5-ancient-black-civilizations-africa/

    It was the expansion of advanced African civilizations that provided the foundations for the development of civilization along the shores of the Mediterranean in Southern Europe, the Middle East and India. As noted by the examples the expansion of civilization from African created the civilization in Greece where the scholars were able to advance mathematics that originated in the civilizations in Africa.

    During the same time mentioned in the examples, 530 BC to 212 BC the rest of Europe was inhabited by the Gaul, Celts, and Germanic people that were primitive tribal groups lead by chieftains as opposed to the advanced civilizations originating from the expansion of civilization from Northern Africa to the Southern European coastal areas.

    Eventually conquered by the Roman Empire there was a brief moment of advancement in Western Europe that soon faded with the decline of the Roman Empire plunging Europe into the Dark Ages where knowledge was lost. While Western Europe endured the Dark Ages the advancements of civilization were predominately from the Muslim nations and people of the Middle East.

    And "race" didn't play any part of this advancement of civilization from Africa as it expanded into Southern Europe, the Middle East, and parts of Asia or it's development in Eastern Asia with the Chinese and Japanese that became far more advanced, and certainly more "civilized" that the people of Western Europe.
     
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  15. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    Feeling guilt over incidents that took place hundreds of years ago and were done by entirely different people is silly beyond belief, HOWEVER, feeling guilty about continuing to profit from such incidents yourself is perfectly appropriate. And it's not really guilt in any case, but mostly just an awareness of how society still treats people differently because of race alone and a resolve not to benefit thereby, when we can.
    Exactly, and most white people do that kind of rationalization to a greater or lesser extent and aren't aware of it. Feeling guilty about that kind of rationalization once one becomes cognizant of doing so, is completely justified
     
  16. hardcash

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    lol, You even do not know the words "black Africa". lol
     
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    http://atlantablackstar.com/2014/04/16/5-ancient-black-civilizations-africa/

    It was the expansion of advanced African civilizations that provided the foundations for the development of civilization along the shores of the Mediterranean in Southern Europe, the Middle East and India. As noted by the examples the expansion of civilization from African created the civilization in Greece where the scholars were able to advance mathematics that originated in the civilizations in Africa.

    It was Ancient Egypt, It was not blacks.
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    @Shiva_TD

    Blacks did defeat Spain.
    -- The Black Army which defeated Spain - 7,000 men consisting of 300 Arabs and 6,700 native Sudanese.


    - In the "Song of Roland", the Moors were described as "Blacker than ink with large noses and ears" and with "nothing white except the teeth."



    It is like Ethiopia did defeat Italy.
    But Russia or the USA was/is at least 1,000,000 times more powerful than Ethiopia.
    Ethiopia wouldn't/wont even try.




     
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  19. Pycckia

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    The sub saharan Africans were Black. The Africans along the Med. coast where white/semitic.

    Nubians did not have a civilization. They had no written language until well into the classical period.

    The Greeks were white, not colonies of any Africans. The Atlanta Black Star is not a reliable reference.
    It is correct to say that geometry originated in Egypt where it was developed to replace the boundary stones moved during the flooding of the Nile and to construct the wonderful Egyptian monuments. However, the Babylonians were keen astrologers and kept records the movements of the planets.

    The genius of the Greeks was to combine these two and use mathematics to predict the movement of the planets. The success of this endeavor and of Greek philosophy led to the understanding the world could be understood as following laws. The Greeks, single handedly and uniquely in the history of the world, discovered science.

    You are forgetting the Byzantines who preserved and advanced the knowledge of the Greeks, who taught the Muslim nations everything they knew and were conquered by them in return. It was the refugees from Byzantium landing in Italy that sparked and advanced the Renaissance.

    How do you know? Evolution hasn't somehow uniquely stopped for humans and no other species. Humans created civilization and civilization shaped humans through natural selection. Thus the races diverged in their ability to become civilized.
     
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    No genetic study done on Minoan skeletons has ever shown correlation to Africans. Also, Minoan Crete is not the entirety of Greece, which flourished primarily in Athens during classical times.

    Muslims, by the way, founded their civilization on rejuvenating ancient Greek texts, while agressively taking over much of eastern Europe. The Reinassaince was also put into motion by reviving Greek writers.

    Appropriation of culture is not less offensive when it is directed at native populations that happen to be white, and trying to portray white people in a negative light via history revisionism is just as vile as the reverse. Your race shouldn't matter in 2017.
     
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    Shiva_TD said : Of course we can refer to the Greeks and need to remember the origins of Greece were a dark skinned people presumably of African origin (but then we're all of African origin) called the Minoans.. .


    @Shiva_TD, You make yourself a joke here.

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    Only fools say that the Greeks are blacks.

    You "smart black scholars" even declared that Genghis Khan was a black.
    Since his metal statue looks dark.
     
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    Shiva_TD said : Of course we can refer to the Greeks and need to remember the origins of Greece were a dark skinned people presumably of African origin (but then we're all of African origin) called the Minoans.. .


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    Only a completely idiot believes that the Greeks were blacks.


    You must forget to mention that those "smart black scholars" also declared that Genghis Khan was a black.

    http://lostfeather.weebly.com/black-islanders.html
     
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    Ancient Egypt and Sudan predate European civilisation by 1000's of years, buddy.
    And they were rather black.

    Bit weird to go when Africans concurred Spain, to call them black. And than go whitewash the skin of Africans when it's about their civilization predating Europe. Sounds like you got an issue about skin color.
     
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    Muslims founded their civilization on ancient Sumerian mythology. They did not rejuvenate ancient Greek texts. The Greeks brought that to them, when they marched through their lands. They just never tossed it away.
     
  25. Shiva_TD

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    Only a racist would use a bust carved from white marble to claim that the ancient Greeks were "white" because they've never been white. The people of Greece typically have an olive or darker skin color, dark hair with dark eyes and they're are clearly different than the Nordic or Germanic people that are typically associated with being "white" people by the White Supremacists.

    That's a fundamental problem for the racists because there's no way to clearly differentiate races. Skin colors range from very dark to very light with virtually endless differences in between. Was Genghis Khan black? Well he wasn't white so if that's the only two choices then he was black but there's endless choices and there's only one race, the Human Race.
     

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