Is Yahweh breaking an objective moral tenet?

Abortion is wrong because if a drunk driver kills a pregnant woman they are charged with two deaths.

 

How am I lying and bearing false witness?

 

NO, what was wrong was taking away the woman's choice in the matter...that is always wrong.

The Unborn Victims of Violence Act may help to up the charges against the driver but it has nothing to do with abortion or abortion rights

 

Hopelessly fallacious nonsense. You are claiming that because some group makes a law - that this is what God thinks.

So by your logic - because the Commies have laws against religion - religion must be wrong.

 

The moral law is written on our hearts. That is where our laws come from. Laws aren't just about punishment but also about showing respect for whats right and what's wrong.

 

The crime was not in taking away the womans choice, but in not showing respect for human life.

 

The Amazing Sam's Ego said: ↑
Abortion is wrong because if a drunk driver kills a pregnant woman they are charged with two deaths.

You never mentioned "crime" in the post I responded to(see above). You just mentioned "wrong".

That doesn't make abortion wrong.


NO, what was wrong was taking away the woman's choice in the matter...that is always wrong.

The Unborn Victims of Violence Act may help to up the charges against the driver but it has nothing to do with abortion or abortion rights

 

Our laws are based on God's laws. Laws are based on showing respecting for right and wrong, respecting yourself and others, being just and having consequences. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/the-...mdG1Y7UQAXYSFDFf_UZEbOuLjx6Jq5-EdjNCtANjrgiSi

 

No, "morals" are not what create laws....especially since morals vary from person to person and time to time.....YOUR morals are not the same as someone else's..


And NO one can speak for god and what his laws are or aren't....and not everyone has the same god....and god doesn't make laws.

 

The word "objective" may be ambiguous. I believe in moral truth and have beliefs about what it is, but I don't think moral truths can be ultimately demonstrated.

As for Yahweh, as commonly presented, Yahweh would be a grossly immoral being. If a human passed a drowning child they could save, and didn't save them, we'd call them a moral monster.

As for allowing anyone to be tortured for eternity - that's in the vicinity of as evil as can be imagined.

 

Our laws are more closely based on classical pagan law.

 

So - after a complete fail - you throw more mud at the wall - but fail to address the topic - once again some weird avoidance mechanism in play.

Why is abortion wrong - according to God's law ? is the moral law written in your heart "God's Law" ?

Is this now what you are claiming - and if so - you have some explaining to do.. I await your reply.

 

If the moral law were "written on our hearts", then psychologists should be able to detect that.

Since the world is full of people with wildly different moral intuitions, people must be very bad at reading any moral law that is written in all human hearts. To assume that you are reading your heart correctly while everyone else who feels just as sure is not would be arbitrary. If anyone really thinks moral law is written in the human heart, they should read up on what the most common moral intuitions are and believe those, regardless of what their own heart tells them.

 

What does that mean?

 

While our laws have been influenced by Christianity, they are more closely based on the laws of ancient pagans, particularly the Romans.

 

Christian feminists passed pro life laws.

 

Our friend has been called out often and has yet to deny. He just popes back with some other copy point.

Any thing he or I say of a supernatural entity, or about any god, given that we have no direct source, means we are in fact lying.

The wise man says out laud, there are no supernatural gods.

My Gran said, when you have a mouth full of it, you can call ****, ****.

Regards
DL

 

I like life, but to force one to live below basic levels without insuring the ways and means to get to his or her best end, --- is not just or moral, --- especially in a world where nearly 50% of all households are maned by single women.

Only that last part is meant to be funny.

Regards
DL

 

I agree.

Some of the losers to the inquisitions had ideologies that were superior to Christianity, which is why Christians turned to murder and fascist thinking.

Halt the U.S. is infected.

This documentary speaks of the history.
https://topdocumentaryfilms.com/theft-values/

Regards
DL

 

Regarding inbred people, they arent less people.

 

Always a pandora's box with you - how did inbreds get into the conversation - and the idea that they are less people.

We are talking about God's Law - and your claim that it is written on our hearts - and you were about to support this claim.

The next thing ya know - you are twirling around - eyes back of the head - rambling some incoherent meme about inbreds and how they are not less people...

I have seen this before - believe it or not .. but was in person to person conversation - in the flesh .. like in the old days

Was conversing with a Hari Krishna - by chance - mind you I am the type that invites the witnesses in for tea when they come by ... so much fun learning about different beliefs. .

But I digress - So I am talking to this fellow in a pink dress - about his beliefs .. asking what this is all about - a very interesting conversation .. and then I started asking a few question based on what he had said .. and soon after had him backed into a logical corner.

The next thing ya know - this fellow was dancing around in circles "Hari Hari - Rama Rama Krishna Krishna". I was shocked - one moment this person was completely rational .. the next - Not so much.

I did not know what this was at the time but, later on - having some limited experience with exit counseling and the psychology of sophisticated mind control techniques - learned that this was a thought avoidance mechanism that I had triggered.

 

I encourage you to read the rest of the convo that follows between myself and ego.. specially 121 por favor

 

You are taking that moral tenet way out of context.

That assumes that all things are held equal and those people are equally deserving of being saved.

 

There may well be supernatural Gods - can't disprove a negative - the question here is whether or not someone claiming to know what one of these God's might be thinking - thereby putting words in this God's mouth - is a good idea.

Think on this one .. it is worth a moment of thought.

Is this not the most foolish thing a person can do ?

Take for example the wedding vows - in almost all Christian wedding ceremonies there is a promise to God - even though Jesus warns against this rather specifically - as does the OT - which is why Jews do not have such a promise to God in the ceremony.


If you had Godlike powers - were immortal of sorts - looking down on some experiment you started on some world in the Milky Way .. - and came by one day to check on things ... What thing would upset you the most - that one of these people could do ?

This has got to be close - some good for nothing ant - calling you out by name and claiming you said or did something you did not,

Good way to get God's attention ..

 

Which assumes that we have been justly judged. and on it goes as everything said of the supernatural is speculative nonsense. Right?

That aside.

Scriptures indicate that all souls are created equal and all are saved.

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

1 Timothy 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

I disagree with your first, but you might expand on what you mean.

Regards
DL