Israel attack Gazan tunnel dug into its territory

Israel was created as a safe haven for jews BY DEFINITON, because of the historic mistreatment by both christians AND muslims.

It would be nice if people actually had a shred of facts or history when posting, but its becoming clear you have no interest in either based upon yours. IGNORED.

 

Isn't it telling how the pro-arab muslim terror apologists expend so much energy attacking jews/Israel, but always want to avoid how the 50MM non-arab muslims living in arab muslim countries are so deprived of basic rights and are so horribly oppressed?

50 MILLION non-muslims are being slaughtered, yet none are sovereign in the arab muslim-majority middle east - yet its microscopic Israel, according to the arab muslim pro-terror apologists, far left, and uneducated trash who is the cause of the problem...

How come these people, who claim to be so, so for human rights, never mention how their arab muslim and fascist iranian friends have slaughtered/raped/tortured the yazidis, coptics, maronites, chaldeans, maneachans, bahai, azeri, etc?

Of course they won't want to discuss such crushing facts.

 

To those of you of good conscience still willing to discuss this issue with the pro-hamas lovers here, ask them if building a tunnel under an internationally-recognized border is a war crime. I've put them on ignore, as I've no interest in communicating in any way with such people.

Everything else is hot air.

 

Ignored again, thanks it is a pleasure to be ignored by you.
If it was a safe haven, they sure chose the wrong place for it! But again you don't give a dam about the indigenous population. To equate Muslim persecution of Jews with the Christian outrages is farcical.

At least Balfour did not try to hide his contempt for the 700,000 Arabs!

1919 Balfour to Curzon ‘in Palestine we do not propose even to go through the form of consulting the wishes of the present inhabitants of the country….The Four Great Powers are committed to Zionism. And Zionism, be it right or wrong, good or bad, is rooted in age-long traditions, in present needs, in future hopes, of far profounder import than the desires and prejudices of the 700,000 Arabs who now inhabit that ancient land……….

http://www.balfourproject.org/a-few-quotes/

 

I doubt there are many Hamas supporters here, but it suits your narrative to suggest anyone who criticises Israel must support Hamas. It is a war crime, quite simple. Now about the numerous war crimes and breaches of international law committed by Israel, do you want to repent?

Ignore away.

 

I agree that hamas serves Iran's interests. And I have stated what I think about hamas. But where I disagree is that a minority sect of islam from persia, is trying to spread its revolution in an area of the world that is predominately SUNNI. GIven the historical conflict between the shia and sunni in the middle east, this is what you are seeing, and not the shia and their revolution looking like the old communist revolution, of course unless you believe sunnis will convert to a shiite.

What you are really seeing, is the animosity, historical, between the two sects being played out. And little more than that. Iran is paranoid over not just the arab sunni states, but also of Israel. And Israel hates Iran. They are enemies, so I expect enemies to act like enemies and don't get upset over what is natural. The problem only comes in when other people start fantasizing in what is involved between iran shia and the arab sunnis. They want to make it out to be more than just sectarian hatred, which is historical.

And when you look at why Iran was trying to develop nukes, once upon a time, it is understandable why they did that. If no one else who was an enemy did not have nukes, I doubt they would ever have wanted them in the first place. Yet when one of your enemies has them, and they can destroy you anytime they feel like it, and if a person cannot understand why iran also wanted nukes, then that person wins the most recent Village Idiot award as well as the Darwin Award. A twofer due to the degree of idiocy and stupidity that is involved.

 

<Mod Edit- Rule 2/3> I never said that.

 

No, you are completely wrong here. Hamas is the creation of the Likud party. The organisation which Hamas came from believed in a Muslim religious state over all of historic Palestine. Basically what gave rise to Hamas was created as a symbiotic relationship for the Likud Party and this invention removed the power of both the Israeli Labor Party and Fatah. This was absolutely excellent for Likud. Both the Likud Party and the early Hamas had the same goal - that is all the land from the sea to the river or from the river to the sea depending on which you are. While it was a surprise to Likud initially when Hamas took to violence it has served them extremely well. I just heard Netanyahu suggesting on our televisions that we know what it would be like to have Hamas firing rockets at us because we had experience it through Nazi Germany in WW2. He didn't say 'Nazi Germany WW" but it is the only thing which would fit what he said. He then rather than doing the usual and asking Marr to say how Britain would respond said 'and we all know how you responded' no doubt referring to Dresden and so on but this of course is fairy tales. This issue was dealt with genuinely in this debate at Gresham College after the 2014 Israel assault on Gaza

https://www.gresham.ac.uk/lectures-and-events/gaza-israel-the-legal-and-the-military-view

British General Nick Parker was asked how Britain would respond having all those rockets fired at it. His response was that Israel clearly has the situation under control and does not see this as much of a problem. She has built a new railway to the area most affected and has encouraged people to move there. He said no country would do that if they thought they were putting their people into danger. In this situation he said, Britain would not act like Israel did. She would not attack the people of Gaza as if they were some real enemy with teeth. She would just keep an eye on the situation. He believed that the reason why Israel attacks Gaza is to present to the world that the Palestinians are a real danger to Israel, when this is not true. I had not understood how profound and true that statement was until this morning.

So the Likud party encouraged the development of a Palestinian islamist group which resulted in Hamas to compete with Fatah. These Islamists just like the Likud Party did not believe in a two state solution and when they turned to violence this really turned out to be a Godsend to Likud. The Likud Party has not changed in its position. It wants all of historic Palestine and has been taking more and more and introducing more and more laws to make this so. Netanyahu was trying to tell the British Public why the West Bank belongs to Israel not Palestine this morning. Like I said the Likud party still wants all of Historic Palestine

https://www.juancole.com/2014/08/charter-destruction-palestinian.html

Where there has been change has been in Hamas. Beginning certainly by the time Alistair Crooke worked with them, they moved to accept a two state solution under 67 lines (link already left.) On violence Hamas has also changed. Certainly after the 2012 cease fire it was not them who was continuously breaking the cease fire and attacking - it was Israel's Likud Government. Israel though still sings the song that Hamas position is to take over all of Israel/Palestine and that it is committed to violence and of course according to Netanyhu this morning is as strong as Nazi Germany was.

The reality is that Hamas has not stayed the same. Hamas is not greatly religious. People have joined not for religion. Religion is not a major motivation for joining. Unfortunately because Israel has refused to get into negotiation with Hamas, people in Gaza have been moving to salafi fighting groups for several years. Crises group warned Israel about this several years ago. Israel took no notice. It did not bother her. Why should it. Violence from Gaza is what has allowed Israel to continue her taking over of Palestine and repression and occupation.

Hamas however has become pragmatic.This year Hamas changed it's Charter removing the anti-Semitism and accepting a Palestinian state behind 67 lines.

The Likud party however still want all of Historic Palestine. They have never accepted a Palestinian State

https://www.juancole.com/2014/08/charter-destruction-palestinian.html

There is no way that Hamas is as you said

It was only when Hamas lost its income from other sources that it turned to Iran.

The essay below gives a good history of the symbiotic relationship the Likud party created by sponsoring who would become Hamas. It is though dated being written in 2002 so does not go into the changes Hamas has made since then.

https://www.mediamonitors.net/persp...rise-of-hamas-and-benefit-from-its-terrorism/

Netanyahu was asked this morning what he thought of the Unity deal. He suggested it would be fine if it was not union in violence, which his inflection suggested he thought it would be.

In reality this Unity deal if Hamas and Fatah can get their act together is outrageously dangerous to the Likud Party and those who want their land grab.

The Palestinians have been kept down and Israel has been able to do her land grab and oppression due to the Palestinians being divided and Hamas being presented as being far more violent than it ever was and pretending there have been no changes.. That violence was the biggest gift to the Likud Party even although it would have been happy with simply splitting the Palestinians. Everyone knows the best way to defeat people is to divide them.

Check out this article by the New York Times of 1988

http://www.nytimes.com/1988/01/24/opinion/what-israel-is-losing.html

The NYT would not allow articles of this type to be printed now...but back then actions such as these were being reported in the British Press - I had not been aware in the US as well. The response to 9/11 seems to be what changed that. Hamas's violence and identifying Hamas with Al Qaeda and ISIS has been the method. It was never honest.

and yes Hamas will keep weapons until there is a workable resolution. As Alistair Crooke says that is all they have to barter with. PIRA did not give up its weapons till a workable solution which they could accept had come about. That is the norm.

 

Actually the rest of us care even less for your uninformed nonsense.

 

This situation appears to be worse than originally reported. First the IDF is apparently saying that there were 14 killed and second they apparently are not allowing anyone into the tunnel to recover bodies or god forgive to have recovered people still alive.

https://972mag.com/rights-groups-call-on-idf-to-allow-rescue-teams-into-gaza-tunnel/130515/

There is nothing new in Israel leaving people for a long time after they have been shot before they allow medical help to get in. People will be aware that in such instances whether one lives or dies is often dependent on how quickly one can get medical help.

If Israel is doing this with the tunnel and there may have been people alive in it then it beggars belief in its cruelty.

Apologies for this being the Mail but another source

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/af...12-Gaza-tunnel-Israel-blew-Islamic-Jihad.html

beyond sickening.

 

Before you come to my house and tell me I stole it, you have to prove you owned it.
Those arabs never owned that land.
Their grest late leader Arafat was an Egyptian.
The current leader is Jordanian.
They have no claim what so ever. Now they eithrr learn to live in peace or continue to attack, it is up to them. Isrsel will continue to prosper anyways.

 

Dream on, it has been proved over and over again, you are eastern european colonialists and land thieves. It might be upsetting for some Jews to real;ise they stole the land but that is what you did.

 

Most Israelis I know were born in that country and their parents as well.
Most of the people who talk like you had not nor has their parents.
Their leaders are Egyptians, Syrians, Jordanians and such... no connection what so even to the country.
I let the readers here figure out who is dreaming and who is not.

 

Well as you destroyed most of them in your attempt to erase the history of the indigenous people, many of whom would appear to be genetically the closest ancestors of the ancient Jews, it is difficult for them to find their house to put the key they still hold in.


Secondly you declared all 'State' land which belonged to all the people of the State which clearly in the West Bank was the Palestinians, Israeli land. In addition to this when more land is wanted to become 'State Land' settlers just attack Palestinian farmers, frequently under the eye of the IDF until the farmer becomes too afraid to try and work his fields. Leaving them vacant for, I think its a year, allows Israel to declare they are State Land or rather Israeli land.

Some of the many things Israel has been able to achieve by keeping a people at gunpoint behind barricades under military rule for 50 years while she steals their land.

read full details

Taking over Palestinian land by declaring it "state land"

In that case most of the Jews in Israel should be immediately expelled due to illegal immigration of either themselves or their parents/grandparents.

Arafat was born in Egypt but to Palestinian Parents

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yasser_Arafat

Abbas was born in Safed/Zefat. Where did you get that one from? My original guess was you thought he would have been living in the West Bank when Jordan illegally annexed it and gave all the Palestinians there citizenship of Jordan. Was that it?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Abbas#2005_Presidential_election

There again from a person who supports forcing people to live Stateless for eternity why would it bother you where he was from?

Oh they do. Morally they have a massive claim which will eventually be recognised by history - assuming humanity survives. By massive compromise and accepting the State of Israel, Arafat agreed to accept for the Palestinian State only 22% of it's historic homeland. Israel has been busy settling that and currently intends on annexing 62% of the 22% of what was left of their homeland they chose to accept.

Unless and until the Palestinians get a State of their own with their security secured they will constantly suffer attacks from the Israelis until they no longer exist.

Israel may survive and expand if the fascism which is trying to take root in the West succeeds. Until after the 67 war, Israel looked down on Holocaust survivors, while of course using the cruelty and death of so many for her own benefit by for instance demanding Germany send reparations for war crimes against Europe's Jews to Israel rather than to survivors.




I wonder if in this potential fascist world Israelis will still try and play the poor me over the European Jews holocaust? Probably they will find a way. Just think European Jews became a 'Remnant' and the response was those who got that State when fscism was defeated worked to bring fascism back to the world - the British archives describe the Jews who gained power as very aggressive and similar to the Nazis so it is not a new thing. ..and the vast majority of the 'Remnant of Europe's Jews' were initially not at all keen to move to Israel. It took a long time of brainwashing to get them to agree. They would have preferred the US or the UK or some other safe Western Country and lets be clear the US/Britain and other countries were prepared to allow mass immigration of people from the Displaced Person's camps. The Zionists would have none of it.

In the Shadow of the Holocaust
The Struggle Between Jews and Zionists in the Aftermath of World War 2

Of course if the Fascist gain control, you and other American and European Jews will be deported to Israel. I have no problem with Diaspora Jews who give Israel a cart blanch cheque going to live there and have no idea why they are not living there already. However Jews have always been at the forefront of those criticising Israel and this is getting stronger and stronger. One has to fear for them in this situation. Something which is not a priority to the Government of Israel who instead are encouraging the Far Right in Europe and in the US. My guess is that as far as Israel is concerned non fascist Jews are expendable. She certainly has a conflict of Interest with their needs.When after the Charlie Hebdo attack Netanyahu was pontificating to France's Jews telling them Israel was their home and they responded by singing the French National Anthem he said, 'the integrated will stay, we will get the rest'.

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OFC a pro Palestinian will give every excuse to justify terror, what you are depends on what you actually do, if your activism includes harboring terrorists or actual assult on Israelis/Jews than yes you would be charged in Israel. those happy places in Europe that allowed this kind of chaos in their borders suffer now.

Well that's what I understood from your words too, that you claimed the tunnel served no danger and was bombed for the heck of it and to incit Hamas while the messege states it was bombed to prevent hazard in the future (when the tunnel would have been complete, or when Hamas decides to use it if you like, I see no diffrence in the outcome)

I honestly think I use one tenth of the rudness applied to me, the worst I did was blame you for spewting Hamas propaganda while I was blamed of : facism, brain washed, ethnic cleansing,genocide, land theft, Holocaust abuse and some other things I dont even remember, ppl are not very sensetive here but Im hardly the worst.

I disagree pointing to Hamas regarding the kidnap and murder ahead of Gaza OP is propaganda, a terror org has responsibilty to the hate it spreads.

I disagree on 2014 but I can understand why you would suspect something like that, in fact I dont know for sure that is NOT the case, on the assasination attempt - its not how Israel operates (car bomb) but a false flag accusation is not possible to deny or prove right, its just how you think and you think like that alot, the 2014 kidnapping you also blamed as false flag and so a few rockets from Gaza, everything can be a false flag its no diffrent than blaming Jews to drinking blood, who can prove or deny what ppl do in the secret of their homes ?
The terror tunnel was a very very justified target, but if Hamas leaders would start to die off than I would agree somthing fishy goes on.

But I disagree on that so dont take it as to prove it can happen again....just because Israeli haters think like that doesnt make it true, 2014 was not because Hamas and PLO wanted peace (I asked you then how can they hold the peace even if Israel attacks ? I mean if they want to, Israel opposes either way; war isnt suppose to change PLO or Hamas opinion on the matter). I dont think its that shocking to arrest every Hamas person that supported or even had some hand in that kidnapping and murder, maybe its shocking in Europe but I will accept this diffrence between us.

I dont think Ill be surprised about anything in Jerusalem.

I dont think I have much to talk to ppl that prefer vengence over economy, I do fear withdrawing our forces to such ppl and I wouldnt trust a paper they sign, I demand facts on the ground as proof.

Its what they teach them, you wouldnt be very sypathetic to settler children brought up of the teaching of some Jeiwsh terrorist would you ? oh they have lots of bloody stories to tell too.

 

You're truly a gift, alexa

 

The number of Arabs and Jews in Israel and the occupied areas will be equal by 2016, but the number of Arabs will exceed that of Jews by 2020, a report by the Palestinian Central Bureau of Statistics said Monday.

http://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-...sh-population-by-2020-says-pa-report-1.491122

What are they, rising from the ashes?

 

Genocide!

Palestinian Population grew 8-fold since 1948 (to 2010)
May 12, 2011
http://www.maannews.com/Content.aspx?id=386989

RAMALLAH (Ma'an) -- As Palestinians prepare to mark Nakba Day, statisticians released figures Thursday showing the world-wide Palestinian population is 8 times that of 1948, the period commemorated Sunday.
........
The population that year was 1.4 million, the Palestinian Central Bureau of Statistics said, while at the end of 2010 it was estimated at 11 million globally, and 5.5 million in Israel, the West Bank and Gaza, while 5.7 million Jews reside in the area.....​

And up 9x in Israel

.......
The bureau noted that 154,000 Palestinians remained in the newly-created state of Israel in 1948, and today number 1.36 million. Demographic trends among Palestinian Israelis mirror the Youth-Bulge in the Palestinian territories, with 40.6% of Palestinians in Israel under the age of 15.​

By now, the eve of 2018, it's certainly/Easily a 10 fold increase,
+

 

Surely, Israel is not very good at ethnic cleansing

 

Hazard is another word for danger...they knew of it it posed no danger but after deliberations decided to bomb it to prevent danger ahead, where's the mystery here ??

They united months ago and in that time did Hamas ever said it would negotiate with Israel to adjust to the PLO agreement or perhaps lay down arms of they intend to be a protest party in their Gov that always reject Israel but do it in a non violent democratic way ? no ? so they are still our enemies. those ppl there were all legit targets because they chose a way of killing Israelis to advnce their goals and killing as many of them is what armies do. they chose not to negotiate.

How can you compare yourself to an Islamic fighter wiling to kill and die for Al Aqsa ? I get and respct your concern to civilians, I dont undersnand how you can shut off for Israeli lives but Im not taking it personaly but comparing yourself to those Jihadi is a bit too far.

So you wont care for lives of such Israelis, I get that, hate is digusting and I likewise wont care for lives of haters and abusers either, for the practical diffrence between our haters is our's are persecuted and arrested and on thier side its a big terror org armed and well supported by other countries and there is absolutly no reason to think it will go away - so we will continue to have control over them till they change because we have to.

Well you do, I dont need to justify terror....

I dont recall being happy about anything in Gaza, what might happen depends on what comes of this unity Gov.

They will need to do more than shake hands to get a lift of blockade. with apology to expecting sides

Its Nassralah's joke actually, sorry thought you said you were a terrorist

It had nothing to do with that stupid union and we had no reason to give it special consideration since Hamas in Gaza remained the same.

There was no org group, they didnt plan that throu, just a murderous bunch catching an oppertunity and you are very correct I blame those who immortelize such terror and feed it to their kids, yes the teacher who preached murder just a week ago will be arrested and and so will his friends that support it and anyone we know could possbly know something about it will be questioned because you cant cellebrate it in the streets and say you have no part of it.

what are you talking about, Hamas remained in charge of Gaza the whole year till it broke

So why didnt they keep it if it was so important ? Israel attacked and went away , why did they break it in 2015?

Yes we're split on terrorists right to live, I have no ill intent to civilians many of which work in Israel every day but those gun totting thousands are all legit targets and i regret they are someone's son brother or father but my powers are limited, when someone's out to kill me and mine there will be few questions i will bother myself with.

Wow there slow down, if we were nazis or fasicts as you say we wouldnt have bothered with the palestinians this long, also probebly embrace Russia and not the US, your countries turn right only relates to Israel by the faliure of your socialism to address current global events.

They exploit Muslim hatred to Israel and the Israeli Pal conflict to their issues back home, just like the terrorists expolit the liberal left, heck im sure ISIS could have exploited them the same only they dont even respect them for that.

it was intented at the same year it was applied when Hamas took over gaza, the free pass you give to terrorists telling us in our faces they will kill us is not mirrored in Israel.

I said it died during Hamas attacks and the ppl had no reason to carry on, thats why Bibi was elected and not Peres, it died with Rabin, I dont know if he would have been able to sort that mess and revive Oslo I only know what broke with the Israeli public. the Gazans arevwhere they are because they chose to, they chose revenge over normal lives otherwise hamas would have dropped its guns and work toward a state. talking about hamas that IS in control in Gaza and has the ability and responsibilty to its ppl to give them better lives.

 

Nope. Nope, not upsetting at all, in fact since it’s a lie and a propaganda, it’s being summarily dismissed. Do keep trying, thought.

Hey, did you notice how the world’s opinion turns to favor Israel lately, and how Palestinians becoming irrelevant fast?

 

Too bad McHeil's navy & the supreme swastika up Uranus court gave Islamic jihadists the tactics of Byrd's West Nazi Germany Virginia KKK drug trafficking churchstate that back fired for Gaza in the serve the Pope or die Fourth Reich crusade.

 

I think that's the longest sentence I've ever read. Not only that, but it's so oblique I don't have the faintest idea what it means.

 

Looks as if Hamas was trying that West Nazi Germany Virginia KKK pseudo science of let's build a worm hole all the way to Uranus & burn an old testament & old glory as a source of propulsion so the swastika can be raised in Rehnquist's drug trafficking reichquest from the 70's.