Israel Katz. What Was He Thinking?

Who did the killing, the communists? Or just everyday people? Was it part of a Soviet Program?

 

I seem to remember there being a rise in antisemitism in Poland and in Hungary where Netanyahu was also well happy to make friends despite them putting up a memorial to their leader who was involved in sending Jews to their deaths. Jews in both those countries were complaining about it at the time, that antisemitism did not appear to be a problem to Netanyahu.

 

alot of western anti semitism stems from the fact that the non jewish whites are finding it increasingly difficult to carry the burden, that is the legacy of the trans atlantic so- called trade, and feel that the jewish community needs to step in and give them a hand carrying it.

 

No stats, merely history.

Mussolini wasn't a fascist? The Italians didn't support Nazi Germany 100%? Until that is, the Germans decided to "occupy" Italy.

 

Only the slavs, once the jews were out of the way.

 

Apparently, everyone was killing everyone else.

According to John Sack's heavily censored book, "An Eye For An Eye", Jewish Communists set up over 1,000 concentration camps for the sole purpose of killing Germans & succeeded in killing 60,000 - 80,000 German civilians after the War was over:

"An Eye for an Eye"
https://www.amazon.com/An-Eye-Sought-Revenge-Holocaust/dp/0967569109
EXCERPT "Finally, BasicBooks published An Eye for an Eye. It "sparked a furious controversy," said Newsweek. It became a best-seller in Europe but was so shunned in America that it also became, in the words of New York Magazine, "The Book They Dare Not Review."

Since then, both 60 Minutes and The New York Times have corroborated what Sack wrote: that at the end of World War II, thousands of Jews sought revenge for the Holocaust. They set up 1,255 concentration camps for German civilians -- German men, women, children and babies. There they beat, whipped, tortured and murdered the Germans."CONTINUED


"Disinvited by the Holocaust Museum, Writer Speaks at National Press Club"
https://www.wrmea.org/1997-june-jul...eum-writer-speaks-at-national-press-club.html

EXCERPTS "The Holocaust museum is doing wonderful work. But I'd hate to think that the one thing the Holocaust Museum doesn't talk about is genocide when it's done by Jews." John Sack, author of An Eye for an Eye, Feb. 13, 1997.

The 66-year-old author, who is Jewish and who presently lives in Idaho, was invited by Michael Berenbaum, until recently director of the research institute of the Holocaust Museum in Washington, DC, to tell an invitational audience his story of how some 60,000 to 80,000 German prisoners died at the hands of a largely Jewish guard force in the aftermath of the European Holocaust in World War II. Just before the talk was to be held, however, it was canceled by the museum's new director, Dr. Walter Reich."CONTINUED

 

I wouldn't say that Christianity was at the root of antisemitism. Christian leaders persecuted all those deemed pagans or heretics, including Christians, in their quest for absolute power over the obedient faithful. Jews were just one of those categories. We talk today about antisemitism but not anti-montanism, because Jews and Judaism survived, while montanism did not. Early Christians were not antisemitic.

I don't care if Poles were more complicit or not in the Holocaust. I'd never blame a whole nation for the actions of individual members. My post was meant to explain why some people - like Katz - accuse Poles of being antisemitic. It wasn't meant to justify such attitude. He's entitled to his opinion in private, but as a politician he should've kept his mouth shut. He has the diplomatic skills of a teaspoon.

Rephrase your question. As it is, it's a leading question, a logical fallacy, impossible to answer.

 

I've read somewhere, years ago, that the returning Jews were killed by those who stole their houses and didn't want to give them back. Not a program, Soviet or otherwise.

 

So Martin Luther's "The Jews and their lies" and the Catholic Church accusing the Jews of being Christ killers was not the root of antisemitism in pre war Europe, please do tell then what was?

No need to rephrase my question it is not loaded it is factual, but we both know why you do not want to answer it!

 

Strange no one remembers the Katyn Massacres.

 

It was hushed up by both Roosevelt and Churchill.

 

I imagine that some other readers are familiar with the massacre that was falsely blamed on the Germans until the passage of time revealed that NKVD was truly responsible.

How does it relate to the topic at hand?

 

Martin Luther was a Christian leader, which reinforces my point.

Some Church Fathers were virulently antisemitic, but antisemitism wasn't the norm in the early days of Christianity. There are testimonies about Christians celebrating Jewish religious holidays. There were no designated Jewish quarters, no walled ghettos, no blood libels, no pogroms. That is, until Christian leaders like Constantin decided Judaism was a threat and issued laws forbidding Christians from dealing with Jews. Jews were isolated, forced to dress in a certain way (black and white only), they were stigmatized as enemies of Christianity and, by extension, of all mankind. But those changes were not the result of inherent Christian hatred for Jews. Fear and fanaticism drove Christian leaders to push the Jews to the fringes of society, in order to protect the faith and maybe in the hope that persecutions would convince Jews to convert.

Still, conversions of Catholic Christians to Judaism as late as the 15th century were not unusual, bursts of antisemitic violence notwithstanding. So unusual, in fact, that those conversions threatened the rule of the Church in Spain, leading to forced conversions of Jews and mass expulsion. The Alhambra Decree is an eye opener, revealing the real motives for Christian leaders' relentless push for marginalization and demonization of Jews:

http://www.sephardicstudies.org/decree.html

Isolated, marginalized, demonized as Christ killers and enemies of Christianity, Jews soon became the dreaded other, misunderstood due to lack of communication (forbidden by law). Many people think that Jews wanted and imposed their own separation from gentiles. This was never the case. Ironically enough, the black and white only clothes, symbol of persecution and segregation, transmuted over time into tradition, which explains why the more religious Orthodox Jews hold on to them for dear life.

Hatred of Christianity is not the solution to the antisemitism problem. Understanding the roots of antisemitism is the beginning of the road to a solution.

 

So we are finally in agreement that Christianity is at the root of antisemitism in Europe, I really do not understand why you ever argued otherwise!

Interesting you have ignored the question about Begin, but I guess it is easier to criticise the poles when it is not a Jewish Pole!