Israeli military shot and killed three hostages

Been around for over a decade .. and what matter who you were responding to .. Pot calling Kettle Black is the shoe we are trying to fit.. how did you put it "Jihadist Apologist"

Now tell us about the Obama-Biden Arming - Supplying - and supporting Al Qaeda 911 Jihadists for most of the last decade in the Middle east .. without fitting into your own shoe

 

Yes. Terrorists have sent out children to wave down US soldiers so they could be ambushed. All the killing in Gaza is the responsibility of Hamas funded by Iran.

 

And you are am IDF apologist, and have no clue about the situation in Gaza. You hate Palestinians blindly because your political masters tell you to. Or is it because of some biblical nonsense?
you act all upset over the deaths of a thousand Israelis, but could care less about the deaths of 15,000 Palestinians, mostly women and children. They are all just humans, on both sides. A palestinian life is worth just as much as an Israeli.
It is far better that not a single member of Hamas get killed if it means not another civilian is killed by senseless violence.
Israel has lost the right to "defend itself" when it became far worse than what it was trying to destroy. What they claim is "defending themselves" does nothing but slaughter civilians and increase the number of radicals exponentially. They obviously have lost all sense of reason, as well as the ability to govern effectively. Netanyahu and his cronies should resign immediately, beg the forgiveness of the Israeli and Palestinian population, and exile themselves from the region. They have done nothing but increase tensions in the region, and have proven that they are incompetent beyond reason. Of course a dimwit like Biden would still support them.
I support Israel's right to defend themselves. What they are currently doing, and what you apparently support for some reason, is nowhere near defending themselves, and is only jeopardizing more Israeli lives, let alone the slaughter of innocent Palestinians.

 

The life of a Gazan civilian is worth nothing to Hamas. Hamas is responsible for the civilian deaths in Gaza.

 

I posted this in another thread, without paying much attention to the OP in that thread. The message should have been posted here instead:

The Israelis are just killing wildly and indiscriminately, including besides Palestinian women, children, and babies, a slews of UN workers, journalists, foreign diplomatic and related staff, foreign bystanders, even hapless Israeli captives crying for help in Hebrew waiving white flags and wearing nothing to make anyone imagine they represent a threat. They have been targeting the most vulnerable, under the pretext that Hamas is hiding amongst them, including repeatedly hitting a house where they know the family of a British MP resides in.

The Israelis are acting this way because they are frustrated by their inability to make much progress defeating Hamas. They had claimed to have decimated the very Hamas brigade responsible for taking out 10 of their soldiers the other day in north Gaza, an area where the Israelis were claiming to have under control. Almost a week has passed since Israeli tanks and troops were first reported being positioned in the center of Khan Yunis in the south yet the battle lines on the ground in the south haven't changed either, with fierce fighting still in the center of Khan Yunis yesterday bringing the total confirmed KIA on the Israeli side from ground operations in Gaza close to 170 (with several times that figure wounded). Israel has claimed to have killed 6,000+ Hamas fighters, numbers that Hamas denies, which lack corroboration, and which are at odds with the fact that no evidence of any significant loss of morale, degradation in Hamas' fighting capability, or advancement of Israel's stated war objectives can be observed. To support war propaganda supposedly showing Hamas fighters surrendering, Israel has produced videos of random unarmed Palestinian men (grocers, journalists, etc) stripped and paraded in humiliating fashion in contravention of the Geneva convention. Facing condemnation of those videos, it has then produced obviously staged pictures of Palestinian men with their guns all held in their possession posing for the cameras!

Long message, I know, and I haven't even touched so much more that needs to be said...

 

98% of wars are created by NATO or would you rather me say the white Jewish European?

I could say either and it would still be accurate

 

The life of an Israeli civilian is worth less than nothing to the Israeli government as evidenced by the blowing up of Israelis on the 7-9th October and the murder of the 3 hostages recently

 

Hamas is again responsible for the loss of human life.

 

The illegal settlers in the West Bank are responsible for all the Palestinian and Israeli loss of human life

 

The life of the hostages is worth nothing to israelis. The IDF is responsible for October 7

 

This topic is about IDF and their bafoonery. Stick to the topic and why The life of an Israeli civilian is worth less than nothing to the Israeli government as evidenced by the blowing up of Israelis on the 7-9th October and the murder of the 3 hostages recently as truth just stated

 

Apparently it’s worth nothing to you or the IDF either.

 

They are not illegal.

 

Obviously you are incorrect.

 

Your message makes it clear. The only way to eliminate the terrorism of Hamas/Iran is to completely eliminate Hamas from Gaza. It does no good to implement limited retaliation to the terrorism of the Hamas rocket and mortar attacks against Israeli civilian neighborhoods. The only way to neutralize Hamas is to completely destroy Hamas. October 7 brought that realization home to Israel. And they are in the process of eliminating completely the threat in Gaza. The responsibility of all this falls directly on Hamas/Iran.

 

how is killing tens of thousands of civilians going to do anything but make the ranks of the extremists swell exponentially? The IDF is doing the exact opposite of what needs to be done to defeat Hamas.

 

Fallujah. AQI was completely neutralized by the US military. Any civilian casualties in Gaza are the responsibility of Hamas/Iran. The idea that a limited response to terrorism will result in terrorism going away has resulted in the loss of many civilian lives.

What is your suggestion on how to defeat Hamas?

 

Apparently, my message wasn't clear enough!

No amount of blood lust, bombing and massacre of civilians, killing bystanders and anyone in sight, ...is going to defeat, much less eliminate, Hamas in Gaza.

 

Apparently, my message wasn't clear enough!

No amount of blood lust, bombing and massacre of civilians, killing bystanders and anyone in sight, ...is not going to defeat, much less eliminate, Hamas in Gaza.[/QUOTE]

Fallujah. QED.

What is your plan for destroying the terrorism attacks on Israeli civilians by Hamas/Iran in Gaza.

 

Israel made a huge mistake by attacking Gaza in retribution for the October 7 and the hostages. The way it is playing out in the media, it looks like Israel is just using the October 7 attacks as a justification for leveling Gaza and eradicating the population because that is what they are doing. The hostages don't appear to be a consideration. They could have all been blown to bits by now.

Israel does have a right to defend itself but that doesn't include the level of violence that we are seeing in the media. I could have gotten behind sending spec ops forces to pinpoint specific targets to recover hostages or targeting rocket launch sites where civilians are not targeted; the problem however is that in Gaza civilians are combatants. Bringing in an American naval forces to help reinforce the missile defense system would have helped to neutralize rocket attacks and then blockading Gaza.

But let’s face it: there was no simple way for this to play out. There isn't a right way for it to play out because ultimately the entire situation is untenable. Palestinians shouldn't live in an open air prison and Israelis shouldn't live in fear of rocket attacks. Palestinians shouldn't have had their land taken away but Israelis shouldn't have had their effort to restore their homeland confronted by terrorism.


Regarding the number of dead. We have already caught Hamas lying once regarding the hospital situation so I see no reason to trust what they are saying. Their refusal to separate combatants from non-combatants seems to reflect this policy of trying to confuse the situation. It could also reflect that pretty much everyone in Gaza is a combatant.

 

It's estimated that 1/4 million of them will need to get out of dodge if the two state solution implemented.

 

Maybe they (netandyahoo) are trying to get Israel destry. Just a thought.

 

It’s more because they know their opponents are weak and Israel has the USA backing them up.

If they were smart, the Palestinians would pursue being citizens of Israel. They would have much better lives than being subjects of an Islamic state.

 

There are 2 million Arab Israeli Muslims living in Israel that will attest to that. Living in a parliamentary democracy is much better than living in a totalitarian theocracy.

 

extreme speculation.
Arab Muslims will always be regarded as second class citizens in netandyahoos Israel. Look at how they treat their own (hostages murdered). White Israeli Jewish ppl hate islam and Arab Muslims with a passion.