Israeli plan to ethnically cleanse Gaza

First, I have never heard of the practice of assuming a population's democratic will-- if they were allowed to exercise it, that is-- based on the result of "student council elections;" so can we try to be more serious, about our evidence, for any extrapolation?

Secondly, it normally goes without needing to be emphasized, that any "polls" conducted within a populace ruled by a, to re-quote the Israeli diplomat, "brutal, authoritarian regime," cannot be taken at face value, because people may very likely fear the repercussions of expressing their disapproval, of their "not democratic government (in the words, once again, of Israel's spokesperson)." So which is it? Do the people live in fear of a "brutal" regime, or do they respond with complete assurance of their freedom of speech, on opinion polls? There is a plainly obvious inconsistency, in trying to maintain both your own view of these polls, and the opinion stated by Israeli officials.

 

Israel keeps on voting for governments to go colonize more and more of Palestine. It's a war crime. And where Arabs only voted ones on Hamas. Israeli Jews voted endlessly for their war criminal colonizing policies. And according to your logic, they can be held accountable for those war crimes and aren't innocent one bit.

And now the current democratically elected government has a plan to go ethnic cleanse 2.3 million Arabs for being Arab. From the river to the see, The Jewish state will be free... is their motto.

 

you say this, but I sourced it's true.

 

How about you go put up the amount of dead children and UN employees and compare.

 

Your words, not his:

and bullshit would be an accurate term for putting words in other people's mouths.

I don't deny that anti-Semitism exists, either, whether it be the anti-Semitism that exists on the Right or the anti-Semitism that has run rampant on the Left for decades and has been ignored, concealed and denied by Leftists until this recent "eye-opening" discovery that could no longer be ignored, concealed and denied by the Left (or anyone else for that matter).

Deflection/appeal to hypocrisy fallacy noted, but the fact remains that anti-Semitism has run rampant on the Left for decades and been ignored, concealed and denied by Leftists the entire time.

Which is bullshit because neither one of us made any such charge. Once again, you're putting words in people's mouths in order to prop up some bullshit strawman.

As we've seen over the past few weeks, including here in this forum, the OP's antipathy towards Israel is quite representative of the view of many on the Left. I've known this for a long time, yet somehow I'm supposed to believe its existence qualifies as some "eye-opening" discovery.

Bullshit.

If you want to put words, or in this case names, in my mouth and include Biden and Blinken amongst the anti-Semites on the Left who are "okey-dokey" with "killing off the Jews" that's on you, not me. The fact remains that there are anti-Semites on the Left who are calling on Israel to cease fire precisely because they are ok with Hamas killing off the Jews.

I don't recall including anyone who feels that Israel's current campaign has been reckless in regard to collateral casualties on my list of anti-Semites, nor can you produce a quote where I did, however I won't deny that many of these charges are being leveled by people who hate Jews and/or Israel.

And sInce you raised the issue of the Geneva Conventions and Israel's alleged "disrespect" while conveniently ignoring how Hamas has refused to accept and apply the provisions of the Conventions from the onset of the war it initiated:

The Conventions apply to a signatory nation even if the opposing nation is not a signatory, but only if the opposing nation "accepts and applies the provisions" of the Conventions.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/geneva_conventions_and_their_additional_protocols#:~:text=The Conventions apply to a signatory nation even,"accepts and applies the provisions" of the Conventions

And for the record, I haven't been throwing the word "anti-Semitism" around the way Israel's detractors have been throwing around the words "ethnic cleansing", "genocide" and the rest of the usual inflammatory rhetoric that never accurately reflects reality. As for "excessive civilian deaths", that is the case in every war and most particularly those fought in dense urban environments, and clearly Hamas wasn't the least bit concerned about this when it launched the October 7th attacks on Israel and threw the Geneva Conventions out the window. There's no such thing as a nice and neat war - they're bloody and destructive - and I knew this one would be no different from the day Hamas (or was it Biden's buddies in Iran?) brought this war on the Israeli and Palestinian people.

 

There is nothing inconsistent about the results of a vote in a brutal dictatorship. People vote based on self preservation. And the dictatorship (and the terrorism of Hamas) is preserved.

 

How many children have been used by Hamas as human shields?

 

How many children did Israel allow to move to their safety?

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/middl...-attacks-fuel-fire-gaza-war-rages-2023-11-02/

Days later, on Oct. 12, Wadi's father and brother were shot dead when armed Israeli settlers and soldiers stopped a funeral cortege for three other Palestinians killed by settlers the day before, two Reuters witnesses and three other people present said. It was one of the more than 170 attacks on Palestinians involving settlers recorded by the U.N. since the Hamas rampage.

 

Every one that was requested by Hamas. Why didn’t Hamas move all women and children to a safe zone before launching their terrorist attacks on Israel? Why does Hamas launch rockets into civilian neighborhoods instead of military targets?

You are attempting to defend the indefensible.

 

What safe zone? No such thing in Gaza.

Point still stands that Israel kills far more children and UN aid workers than Hamas. You're free to post the numbers.

 

Did you miss this part of the article?


“Reuters could not definitively establish who shot the Wadis. Palestinian officials who investigated the funeral killings said the gunfire appeared to come from settlers rather than soldiers, a view supported by the three other people present.

Shira Liebman, head of the Yesha Council, the main West Bank settlers organisation, told Reuters that settlers were not involved in the killings and were not targeting Palestinians.”

 

The safe zone that Hamas never set up.

 

There is no safe zone in Gaza. All Gaza is being continually bombed. Israel do not care about Palestinian or Israeli lives. Israel aim has always been to drive people out of Gaza in Israel's quest to have the whole of Palestine for themselves

 

That is complete BS.

 

And did you miss this part " for three other Palestinians killed by settlers the day before,"

And of course murderers will say "it wasn't us"! LOL

 

Hamas could have set up a safe zone. They did not because they don’t care about the safety of children or UN workers and use them as human shields. Of course if Hamas did set up a safe zone they would undoubtedly also set up rocket launchers in the safe zones again using children as human shields.

 

That Reuters again could not confirm.

It’s absolutely incredible that people are defending the terrorist actions of Hamas against the defensive actions of a Constitutional Republic.

 

It was already been confirmed that 3 Palestinians were gunned down by settlers even by the IDF.

 

Quick, deflect LOL

 

The Jewish states bombs everything, even a convoy of ambulances. There is no safe zone. The civilians got nowhere to go, due to Israel keeping them there to massacre them around. As posted this thread is about the Jewish state's plan to get rid of all the Arabs in Gaza. Your idea that there is some kind of human shield thing is on Israel, for not letting those people go where they aint bombing, as in Israel. The Jewish state told them to go south, and that's when they bombed the crossing into Egypt, and subsequently Egypt could not get aid in while the Jewish state put in the policy to starve them to death, make them drink contaminated water, and refusing to give them aid. It's all aimed to ethnically cleanse or murder the Arab civilians. And you're pitching one excuse after the other.

Point stands. The Jewish state kills far more children and UN workers than Hamas. The kettle really is far darker.
You're free to post numbers. So far you're just whining, derailing and deflecting and so conceding.

 

Any excuse to continually blow up the innocent gazans

 

Under what conditions? What dies the D in IDF stand for? It stands for Defense. The IDF will defend their country and themselves.

 

It’s Hamas who are blowing up civilians in Gaza by launching rockets from neighborhoods.

 

You the loss of life as the direct result of unprovoked rocket attacks by Hamas is funny?