I have not found anything concerning this new as yet but I assume this is what you are talking about http://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-said-ready-to-accept-pa-forces-on-gaza-borders/ If this is the case, then as you will see it is something previously agreed between them and ought to result in Hamas getting the money to pay her people, which as I said Israel was stopping in an attempt to starve them. It will also mean the Rafa border crossing is to be opened and Gazans will be able to freely move. Why did you present this as if it was a conspiracy by Abbas against the people of Gaza?
Are you saying that 5 years from now it will be impossible to live in Gaza ? BS, like the 5 year doom prediction, grabbing the poorest man on the street does not reflect on the entire strip, just like the baised review during the war. They can live to be 120 year old and come as tourists to my city for all I care, but they need to change the "kill all zionists" mantra. They did but that's a drop in the sea, they plainly declare their objective is Tel Aviv, Jaffa, Haifa - to drive the Zionists away from those cities. The PLO said it was Hamas terrorists, Hamas addmitted it was their men, the only question was did Hamas leadership approved it or not, Israel decided to defuse Hamas in the WB regardless - and good call at that. If there will ever be someone out to kill you - then we both can debate on his rights and how legally he can achive them. Israel objects that's true, it also objects rocket fire and stabbing of its civilians by Palestinians, so ? did it ever stopped them ? I heard it was in motion but reading below I see it really isnt, the money still goes to Abu Mazen - I dont see how anyone will move it to Hamas, not the Arabs or the Europeans would like that. http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/c...pa-takeover-gaza-s-border-crossings-260317488
I didnt......you keep refering Hamas as Gaza, Hamas is a political party not Gaza, there is rivelry between Hamas and PLO, search youtube to see Hamas throwing PLO off rooftops shortly after the won the elections, Hamas ppl might get paid because Hamas controls all of Gaza, but Abu Mazen signs the cheque, that the plan anyway. Rafa crossing is entirly at the hands of Egypt - not Israel.
I am saying that before your latest killing spree the UN said that Gaza would be uninhabitable by 2020 without the lifting of the siege and people able to work and put her right. http://www.unrwa.org/newsroom/press-releases/gaza-2020-liveable-place Obviously since the deliberate destruction of Gaza's needed resources for survival for instance her only power plant which was also needed to make water safe to drink, Gaza has already been put into an uninhabitable situation - deliberately by Israel. This was absolutely deliberate by Israel. There was no strategic need for it. She destroyed the power plant in the hope of the people who survive her onslaught dying during the winter of cold or before by diseases from drinking water. Israel clearly wants to commit genocide against the people of Gaza. Her actions show it. More like 'we are Jews, you people were always so awful to us, we will kill other men women children and babies without batting an eyelid'. Maybe antisemetic but I notice some of you have been playing the poor us, look how our families suffered in the holocaust to justify what you are doing to the Palestinians so in this instance appropriate. Words are cheap your actions speak different and they have not being doing that mantra. That is the one you do to justify your genocide against them. They did not and here you are creating more lies to justify your intention of genocide. All they did was give up their power to Abbas for a Unity Government so that they could get the money to pay their workers so that they would not starve to death and together they could get justice for the Palestinians. That terrified Israel because that would have worked. To stop that is why you have been killing babies. The people who are alleged to have kidnapped and killed these teens had nothing, absolutely nothing to do with Gaza Hamas. Nothing. If even they did it, then it was used to do what Israel wanted to do anyway and attack Gaza, destroying it and killing and wounding thousands of her people. Israel deserves who her friends are now, Saudi Arabia and Egypt, countries who do not believe in justice. You are going to be ostracised and left alone with them in the world,. Have fun. You will all get on like peas in the same pod. You know like Egypt, two people are killed so try and murder 800 Muslim Brotherhood in retribution. Basically Israel has acted like the Nazis did. Find one Palestinian who has done wrong and work to harm the lot. awe sweetheart look at what I was answering to. You said I said Your propaganda is obsolete. You need to go back to source and get in renewed. As a unity Government Hamas would for while Abbas was in charge at any rate, not have been involved in violence. However far more important is that the people who were killing people in Gaza from 2012, against the ceasefire were the Israeli's. Gaza largely kept to the ceasefire. You did not. Any excuse to kill a Palestinian child eh and no need to bother about any truth. You deliberately presented it as if he was going to go in and attack Gaza and stop Gaza getting her desperately needed money....and now you give something which speaks of this being questionable when you presented it as truth and in the guise I have written.
Well time will tell if what you say is true or just histeria so commom with the anti Israeli group. Where did I even hint something like that?, you keep getting more radical from post to post, I never said or hinted half the lies you say about me, hate rampage in Scotland. Will Hamas officials shouting at rallies be proof to you ? I got a feeling it wont, All I know they declare it, sing it, and what you say have NOTHING to back it up execpt your wishful thinking, got something else ? Because your heart tells you so? I trust Hamas spokeman better than your hopes. And you let your hatred lead you, you are consumed by it entirly and damn the facts. Nonsense, you simply say its not Hamas that did the shooting but some other organization, and just for the record, placing bombs at the fence is also a breech of cease fire. Never said it and I dont think Abu Mazen will ever "attack" Gaza, dont know where you got it from, I said Abu Mazen will take control there by replacing Hamas as the new money man that pays salaries, that's at least the plan.
Maybe the killing of the three Israeli boys was just criminal murder and should have been treated as such......... - - - Updated - - - Maybe the killing of the three Israeli boys was just criminal murder and should have been treated as such.........
Crminal murder by Hamas members ? no, its a blessed op by them just at wrong timing, I dont think we only need to react when its in good timing for them.
What if the criminals had been boy scouts or Braves baseball players? It should have been treated like the crime it was rather than an excuse for airstrikes on the population of Gaza.
Yea but that's cheap demagogy, they were trained by Hamas, followed its ideolegy, Hamas always states it will kidnap Israelis to release their prisoners, it had made numerous terror attacks just like that before, so to say it had NOTHING to do with this attack is not serious, a guy that loads a gun and points it to another person cannot say he accidently and out of nowhere pulled the trigger and killed him. And the Airstrikes came only after days of rocket fire, Israel NEVER been so weak in its response before and so clearly against a greater OP.
Sorry to state that I am not what you mentioned above, my family came to Jerusalem after the Spanish Inquisition, there was no Palestine in the 1492, no Independent entity with an Arab majority in Palestine (Eretz Israel) the ancestral Land of world Jewry! In the Fourteenth Century was the rise of the Ottoman Muslim dynasty in Turkey... An Ottoman Empire was formed in 1517 to 1917 (400 years) without an Independent Arab entity in Palestine... The British liberated Jerusalem and Damascus in 1917 and there was never an independent Arab entity in Palestine... In 1948 Israel declared its independence with Jewish returnees from the Diaspora and there was no independent Arab entity in control with its own Arab Government... To speak of stealing land, to speak of occupation is essentially an Arabs need for a <cause celebre>... Well... they have none! The Jews are the sole owners of their 'Ancestral Land' since the time of the Bible and no one, I repeat no one is going to pull the rug from under our feet.
So your family returned after they were expelled from Spain... So what.. There were Muslims and Christians living there even then.
Everything I said there is true. Already half a million people in Gaza are without water. Before even your last onslaught, Gaza drinking water was more often than not safe for drinking. I wonder how much you really know about what people are doing in your name. Of course we will need to wait to see whether people die of cold and drinking contaminated water, That does not change the reality that Israel for no strategic reason deliberately destroyed their one power plant, hence making every activity from making some supper, to decontaminating water, to dealing with sewerage, to a simple operation on a child impossible. All necessary things needed for the preservation of life. It cannot be seen as anything other than an attempt at mass murder of the people of Gaza. If mass dying does not happen in Gaza it will not be because Israel did not deliberately work at it. That would be the result of her actions without mass intervention from outside. Any one who is pro Israel in this action is not a person who respects life. This makes no sense at all. You hate Scotland as well as the Palestinians do now do you. You denied what I said. You chose not to believe what the UN said and made up some nonsense. I gave you back what you gave me. You no doubt are aware that not all Hamas agreed with the Unity Government. However that was what was signed by those in charge and that was what was going to happen. Apart from anything else, it was the only way to save Gaza...so even if other Hamas members were shouting at rallies it made no difference on what was happening in Gaza. see above The whole world except you know they signed a unity agreement. As I said there were some who did not agree but tough luck it was done. It had to be done for the survival of Gaza. Now the extent to which people would actually feel friendly to you is a different one and would require more work and very much more work after your recent mass punishment and killing of the men, women children and babe in arms of Gaza and the destruction of things necessary for her survival. Did you think your mass murder would get you friends. Gilos you seem complete unable to understand that having harmed the Palestinians since they gave your ancestors sanctuary, they are very angry with you. The longer it has gone on and the more you continue to harm them worse and worse the angrier they get. They can do nothing to protect and defend themselves which is why Israel's reactions to them are all the more deplorable. She harms those who are defenceless. By forming a Unity Government Hamas took on the responsibility for the time being not to engage in violence. As I have already stated it was Israel who kept breaking the 2012 cease fire agreement, with minor infractions from Gaza. The Unity Government was all the Palestinians needed to get the world to step in and make sure the Palestinians get some justice. The other side is the psychological healing - those talks that Israel stopped over ten years ago. However as the UK debate stated and as is the growing feeling in the world, the Palestinians have been treated badly for so long and a Palestinian State must be recognised irrespective of peace, without any obligation for peace. In reality that is no good. Israel would find a few hell holes for them to life in and call it a Palestinian State so we need to start asking for the end of the occupation. We need to get our Governments to start doing that and that is getting back to 67 borders with minor swaps. That must be done. For peace you need reconcilliation. You do not even recognise how you have treated these people. Unless you start doing that, you are unlikely to find peace and I certainly will be demanding the Palestinians be given the ability to defend themselves. I have heard that there are for instance ISIS members in the West Bank. Kerry says that everywhere in the ME he is told that the thing that moves people to ISIS the most is your treatment of the Palestinian people. I would recommend talks. I would recommend becoming honest about what you have done to these people and I am more than sure that once you do that the vast majority of them will put it in the past and deal with those among them who are still aggressive. There have been studies done and they are more than willing to do this. Of course there will be the odd settler or Palestinian who is still living in terror mode and it would be up to the rest of you not to allow that to destroy things......but nothing can ever happen until Israel starts looking at what she is and has been doing. Wrong. I am angry true. Anger and hatred are not the same thing. I have not avoided facts. You have and clearly a person such as yourself who wanted the mass killing of a group of people Gaza Hamas because of a crime supposed to have been done by another group of people, is a person living with hate. I have suggested the killing of no one but rather argued against mass murder and for a solution is found for the Palestinians. A just solution for the Palestinians may not be what you want but would also be a just solution for Israel.
Perhaps you should take note of the Jewish settlers "Kill the Arabs " mantra. (wink) s. Have you forgotten that it was Zionists terrorist gangs - Irgun /Haganah etc. who first drove non-Jews from Jaffa/Haifa + rest of what has become a Zionist State ? Not entire true . reality is slightly more complex. see "Gaza reconstruction facing obstacles despite aid" Qatar, a long-term ally of Hamas, made the largest single pledge at the donor conference At the moment, the PA, which controls the West Bank, has formed a unity government with Hamas, who controls Gaza. However quickly and completely those donor nations cough up the cash, the truth is that without some sort of political progress between Israel and the Palestinians - of which there is absolutely no sign - there is no guarantee that anything rebuilt in Gaza this year or next year won't simply be destroyed again in the next conflict. -- 16 October 2014 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-29628657 ALSO see : Gaza cease-fire boosts Hamas-Egypt ties Following the Israeli war on the Gaza Strip, the relationship between Hamas and Egypt has gradually improved, especially after Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh praised Cairo’s role in sponsoring the cease-fire agreement in a phone call to Egyptian intelligence in early September. Read more: http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/ori...mprovement-with-cease-fire.html#ixzz3Gn0HlEGJ ....
You are misquoting..... There was no INDEPENDENT ARAB entity in Palestine... it was the Ottoman Empire for 400 years and after that the British for thirty years... You base your historical knowledge (unsubstantiated) on a false again (unsubstantiated history)... What should we say Margot2 said it so we have to genuflect and kiss her ring?
Palestine never "belonged " to the Brits and they didn't colonize Palestine.. They simply administered it. Neither the Palestinians nor the Turks immigrated from Europe, Russia or the Ukraine. - - - Updated - - - Of course it did.. Bendor seems to think God is a real estate agent... however Palestine was NEVER Jewish only. That's why the Bible talks about the Canaanites and Gentiles.
. THERE WAS NEVER A SELF GOVERNING ARAB ENTITY ALBEIT AN INDEPENDENT PALESTINE. Go open a book as your knowledge on the subject matter flimsy as it is...is much too impressive.
there was never a self-governing entity of Ashkenazi, Sephardic, or Maghreb Jews in Palestine until 1949.
how is stating that Ancient jews are not the same as modern jewish ppl ? Two completely different peoples.
its very sad the crimes the Israeli Jews have done against the Palestinians it explains why Israel and Israel's Jews get a lot of bad rep.
The PLO would shoot you and hang your body up in the square for all to see? - - - Updated - - - Yep just like the ancient Celts and modern Welshmen are not the same.
Not quite. Celts dont have a conversion process whereby saxons can magically become celtic by paying a subscription fee. you have to marry into the family
