It doesn't matter where the Drone was. This is what we should be creeping out about

Yeah this never happened on Obama's watch. He drew red lines.

 

we had a deal, trump broke Americas word and broke the deal.. Sad! sure our allies will Trust Trump in any other deals he makes knowing he doesn't keep America's word

 

sure, don't have enough to save social security, but plenty for trump's needless war

 

so did Trump, and did nothing.... sometimes a bluff is called, reality of life

 

Haliburton was ready for the occupation within a safe "green zone" which was supposed to be just about the whole country, which would supposedly greet them with open arms.. Not for nation building.

You need to start reading about Hezbollah.

All you need to do is look at a map.



See that stretch of water at the bottom between the Persian Gulf and the Gulf of Oman? That passage in the middle is the Strait of Hormuz. It's one of the most important waterways in the world. There is no way.... Let me rephrase that NO WAY... the United States, Israel, Saudi Arabia, ... and probably all of NATO.... would keep that operational if the Ayatollah ordered it closed.

That's where you'll see your gas prices slowly inching close to double-digit territory.

As for the last part... no... This is Iran you're talking about. Not Iraq or Afghanistan or... Venezuela.... If they were to target an aircraft anywhere near their border, that aircraft would be in the bottom of the Gulf by now. You see... these guys don't buy missiles. from Russia or other countries.... they build their own. And they're damn good at it!

 

Like this one?

 

No, Obama had a deal, and Obama is gone.

No one approved his deal.

No one approved his illegal payments to Iran.

 

Trump broke America's word, now we are facing this crisis - Sad!

still waiting for Trump's deal to replace it, wont hold my breath

that was Iran's money, he just gave it back to them, that was not a payment, they bought arms from us that we never fulfilled the order, call it a refund

 

Russia needs a proxy war to determine how effective their re-tooled military is. This is probably their best shot at one. The Iranians are crazy enough to oblige. Interesting times!

 

Iran is not a threat, it is a piece of fruit hanging on the tree for Oil companies and the military industrial complex to pick. The policy of the US government is and has been for some time to do the bidding of the corporations who own them and to destabilize and exploit the entire middle east because of their oil and gas reserves.

Why is it people never catch on that the places where we always have military conflicts just happen to be the same places which contain the natural resources we want to exploit...... gee must just be a coincidence.

 

That was an 8 country deal, NOT a 2 country deal.

And, Trump renegged.

Why would Iran or other power in the future deal with America when it's so crystal clear that we don't give a CRAP about the deals we make?

This was just one of many events that are not just bad for America today, but bad for our ability to lead long into the future.

 

Iran chose to make a major security deal with Russia and western powers.

America trashed that deal and has made threats of war.

Nobody can claim Iran isn't a serious problem, but the ridiculous approach we're taking isn't just a failure with Iran - it's a promise of failure for our whole foreign policy. Our approach isn't even based in our fundamental beliefs in rule of law, transparency, cooperation among allies.

 

It was a garbage deal. Anyone paying attention to Iran over time is no more concerned about war or bad behavior by Iran now than when your deal was “done” and supposedly in effect.

What I’m saying is that deal meant nothing. It didn’t make us safer. It didn’t make war less likely. You might compare it with Stalin’s deal with Hitler. I don’t want war with Iran. But silly deals like Obama’s at best only postpone things a little. People who chant “death to America” etc. don’t do deals like that unless it helps them in some way at our expense. Naivety and appeasement in these cases make the world less safe.

I’m sorry the security blanket of the “Iran deal” has been snatched away. But it was only a psychological crutch that did nothing to change the reality of Iran’s threat to the world.

 

You calling it a "garbage deal" is baseless.

NO deal on ANY problem is some form of totally permanent resolution.

The point with negotiation is to take steps forward.

Where we are today is WORSE not better. Not only do we have no better approach we now have the baggage of having renegged on our negotiated deal.

Before, we had 10 years of inspections, etc. in which to take the next step.

Now, our pants are on the floor.

 

It was a feel good deal that third graders could have circumvented in perpetuity without repercussions. Everyone knew it would be reversed eventually. Iran was told it was likely. It was a political stunt. Nothing more.

 

This just isn't true. As I've pointed out elsewhere, to maintain absolute control of the Strait would require extending some form of control inland. Now, it wouldn't be too difficult to maintain a zone of control in Iran with control of Hormuz being the primary objective. The real problems lay elsewhere. This conflict, even if limited in this matter, would set aflame the entire Middle East, and especially the Levant. I don't believe that Israel or conservative Arab governments would be able to achieve victory in the Levant, Iraq, or the coastal gulf without direct American assistance. Further, keeping the Iranians at bay without directly invading further inland without boots on the ground would require nearly genocidal bombing campaigns.

 

Besides being absolutely false it doesn't even matter.

It was the start of a progress. And, Trump decided to totally invalidate the very idea that there could BE a process that involves negotiated deals with the USA.

Almost every deal is improved or replaced. That's not a measure of failure. In fact, frequent improvements of agreements is a huge credit.

 

I was replying to a discussion regarding our previous activities in Afghanistan and Iraq.

 

"If we strike only specific targets like their ships, their air force, their bases and nuclear/chemical factories we wouldn't even have to go in on foot."

I'm responding to this idea, a dangerous one that I've heard before.

 

So occupation and exploitation of a nation you just conquered ie nation building. Thanks for playing chief.


Do you have any idea the amount of firepower just the us navy could bring to bear on that little strip or the entire nation of Iran if they got squirrely?

Their missiles dont beat our missile defense, their fighters cant take ours, their troops cant take ours.
They brought down a surveillance drone. Theyve started mining international waters and we shot at them. Open your eyes

 

Hahaha! Just a short while ago, righties were all for attacking Iran, until the Orange idiot had second thoughts. Your talking points are getting quite predictable....and boring.

 

No we certainly don't need Iran. However i think we should want Iran just likevwe should want every nation
We should want them as a trade partner and ally. We can i believe simultaneously encourage them to be a productive member of the international community and keep them in check militarily.
What the Iranians need to understand is that we aren't seeking bad things for them.
They could have a huge international voice if they'd simply stop supporting terrorists let Israel be and not seek nukes.

I dunno maybe that's just what i want and no one else thinks that way.

I don't see anything good coming for Iran if they continue their current course, regardless if America is right or wrong.

 

During October of 2004 the United States removed 5 nuclear warheads from Iraq and reported the transportation manifest to the IAEA. And this had nothing to do with the 500 metric tons of Yellow Cake that was eventually sent to Canada.

Someone at the IAEA complained to Kofi Annan at the UN that since the warheads were being transferred through Diego Garcia, it was considered to be a technical violation of the protocols of the Pelindaba nuclear free zone treaty.

"Treaty and its Protocols pursuant to Article 102 of the Charter of the United Nations."

 

Aggressors always lose in the end.
We became the overt aggressors 2 decades ago.
Bullying only goes so far.

 

Remember, tRUMP got elected.
They think Obama made a personal deal with Iran. Regardless how many nations signed the agreement. Remember tRUMP got elected. Facts never get in the way of emotion and binary thinking.