It just makes sense to manufacture in China

Of course they can't afford it because their jobs probably got outsourced to ANOTHER country. We need to suck it up and pay a little more for things. Including me as I wont' lie, I have purchased quite a few japanese products myself so I admit to being part of the problem and will try to buy american made more often going forward (although there aren't many options)

 

It's what most Americans want.


https://news.gallup.com/opinion/gallup/267770/americans-views-trade-trump-era.aspx

I think Reagan was a Republican.

 

It would not leave our own people poorer.

Globalism is doing that. As intended.

Those Chinese jumping off of cell phone factories due to sweat shop conditions thank you very much.

I don't believe most Americans want it at all. I think that is a lie.

Reagan was Republican and apparently so was slick Willie Clinton. Although Clinton said later if he had known what NAFTA and off shoring to China would have wrought on Americans he would not have signed either. Yeah, right. It was common sense what it would do.

Perot tried to warn us. It was as certain as gravity what it would do..

 

OK.

What do we do to get enough people on board to effect this change in DC?
How do we bring manufacturing back to the USA and how long will it take?
What will we do in the interim while rebuilding our manufacturing plants and training employees?
How do we sustain the economy while these changes are taking place?
Do we cut ALL ties to all outsourced products or just some? Which ones?
Where do we even BEGIN to find products made in America?

In fairness, this didn't happen overnight and it's not going to be fixed overnight, but, clearly, something HAS to change if we are to survive as a nation.

 

Of course it would leave us poorer. You said so yourself when you said you would need to borrow to buy a TV.
I bought my last US TV over 20 years ago. $1400 for a 42 inch.

 

We couldn't even find enough people to build all the "stuff."
Of course business couldn't tool up because they would lose the 46% of profits made in other countries.
This ship sailed years ago.

 

For comparison, for Christmas, I was gifted with a 70" which was less than $600.

Add in a mortgage, a vehicle or two, a handful of kids and the average household cannot afford to buy ALL AMERICAN made products.

 

Can we shift the wind and have it sail back home somehow? I think that's what the OneMind is trying to convey.

 

And paradoxically, part of this reason may be that so much of the manufacturing was outsourced from America in the first place.

Like I already stated, I know a handful of engineers who used to be involved in making some of this type of stuff in American factories. They're old now, but but they were earning good solid salaries, like $70,000 a year, and this was back in the 80s. Then their careers got cut short when the production was shipped off to China, and they never recovered in their careers. Two of them took teaching jobs for a much lower salary. Even 15 years later they were still earning 60% of what they used to. Another one went into early semi-retirement... not necessarily so much by choice. One more, that I happened to meet by chance, was now living in a small apartment with a rather low standard of living, now older middle-aged approaching 60, trying to scrape by restoring old sewing machines and writing online books. And he was living with someone else to save money. He was an extremely bright guy and used to have huge responsibilities in his company.
I guess he had never bought a home because the company had him moving around so much, and had not been good about saving his money from "the good years". He said in his last years they sent him off to China and was working as in engineer there for three or four years, before the Chinese were able to take over in the factory completely.

 

If we don't get off our ass and start investing in the future we can all start a garden.

 

Notice how most of the only industries thriving well in America are the ones protected from foreign competition.
Like the pharmaceutical industry. There are so many regulations, with FDA approval trials, that it effectively represents a trade barrier. Even most pharmaceuticals in Canada cannot be sold to the US.

 

The problem is getting enough people on board. We have 60 million trump voters that want it along with millions of Sanders voters. What we need are non voters to vote for investing in our own people.

This would out number the globalist dems and repubs.

Changing back to what we once did would take a couple decades. You would begin by using tariffs to address the cents on dollar labor cost of sweatshop labor. This would allow american companies to make the widgets here.

Going after employers who hire illegal by using jail time to punish them would stop most of illegal labor.

Trade with other nations that treat their workers right was never a problem given their costs are like ours. Its the places like China that we should not trade with or buy their sweat shop goods including those by Americans who moved their for exploitation of their poor and being able to poison the environment.

 

True confession time - it would be easier for me to colonize the moon than grow something in a garden. No joke. I am a mass murderer when it comes to seedlings. ;-(

 

It seems like the "in-betweeners" are always the deciding vote. How do we get them worked up enough to help make this happen? I admit. You make it sound easy. It makes sense to me, anyway. I just wonder about the "I don't care either way" crowd. I can't get my neighbors to stop slamming their doors (and they go in and out at least 50 times a day. No joke.).

SOMETHING HAS TO HAPPEN before it's REALLY too late and most of America becomes ghost towns strung together.

 

We are borrowing like hell now with shitty jobs to use to pay the bill.

Going by your reasoning America should never have been able to make most of what we consumed. And that isn't true. And while we were doing that we created the largest middle class in history. What was different? Well profit margins were lower . And working people got a better share of the pie.

Under that system we didn't have a homeless problem.

To say or think we cannot make what we consume to employ our own is crazy. For we did that for most of our history . Your thinking ignores facts.

 

And your thinking ignores economics and human nature. Those are the facts.

 

In fairness, these last few generations are used to instant gratification. They have lost understanding of history that clearly shows their grandfathers went to war before their 21st birthdays and their grandmothers entered the workplace to provide for their families (the first women libbers!). I've met parents that pay their children to do chores and I have yet to meet anybody from the new millennia that knows how to count without a calculator.

These are the people we want to PROD into working for a living? How do we get them off their phones long enough to do anything when we had to pass laws about texting while driving to curb the number of deaths of kids wrapping their vehicles around inanimate objects? That's a pretty tall order.

HOW DO WE MAKE IT HAPPEN?

 

I think the economic suffering has to reach critical mass threatening the form of capitalism we now live under. And I think we are moving in that direction.

That is what gave us the reforms of the 30s. A socialistic threat to the kind of capitalism that crashed .

For after Perot tried to warn us and that giant sucking sound began we could not care less if our neighbor lost his good job and was forced into the working poor service sector and welfare as long as we still had our job...until it too got moved off shore.

Suffering is always the catalyst. And given the path we are on we will get there. And suffering will get rid of this division that allows the madness to continue..

 

It just sees what max profit globalism is...a scheme born of greed.

Human nature is what FDR was aware of and if capitalism did not serve average Americans then the threat of socialism was serious..

I lived under the legacy of FDR and the neoliberals from Reagan onwards. To think globalism benefits the non elites is to close your eyes when you look at America. You need to start looking around at what it wrought.

I have no doubt you won't change your thinking until globalism impoverishes you personally. For clearly you don't give a damn about those it has disembowelled. But your DP told them to go **** themselves in the 90s..So not surprised you don't care about those working people. Just like the GOP.

 

Right. It doesn't matter until it's in your backyard mentality. Sad that it has to (and will) reach that point. Something has to give for the majority to get onboard. It's not even a right or left issue. This is a national issue.

 

When China discovered capitalism they were on their way.
It's not just low cost labor it's a huge volume advantage.
There are 100 million people in china building stuff compared to our 12 million.
US companies alone sell about 250 billion a year to China that are manufactured in China. Punishing these businesses is not good business.
PS. You keep overlooking automation. I guess we could stop making tractors. That would put a lot of people back to work on the farms.

 

I don't worry about those people for their parents won't always take care of them and reality is a harsh mistress. And any change will come from younger generations...their suffering.

With the interest in socialism that is growing the current neo liberalism that includes globalism will be under serious threat soon enough IMO. I am too old to live to see it. But what we have now cannot be sustained.

People voted for trump because those folks are being disembowelled and much of the present social disorder is economically based. And it gets worse and worse.

In my area we have lost much of our middle class. I have never seen so many poor here since the early 50s prior to us getting manufacturing. The factories that gave us that middle class is no longer here. That is what manufacturing does for America. Walmart and fast food are poverty jobs.

 

Possibly, but aren't farmers paid to NOT produce? And, if they could get up and running again, where are they going to look for labor? I know people that pay "day laborers" versus licensed contractors simply because the price is outside their budget. It's going to take quite a bit of persuasion for a farmer to fire up the tractor in the current political/economic climate.

 

You said the "W" word first. LOL Seriously, I was stunned when Kodak and Toys R Us went out of business especially for the likes of bottom-feeder "W". I have no choice because there are only two big box stores in my town. They even ran the local grocery stores out of business.

How do we knock the sails off "W"s boat now that people are conditioned to wanting lower prices and vast selections?

 

You guy give China way to much credit. By the time we cut each others throat we might net 200 billion a year assuming it was free to move everything back here. That's a 1% kicker in GDP. The whole thing is just looking for someone else to blame for our problems.