Its official: BLS is cooking the jobs added headline number

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  1. coolguybrad

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    Labor Force Statistics from the Current Population Survey

    Keep in mind this is seasonally adjusted data

    Count of the employed:

    January 2012 - 141637
    July 2012 - 142220

    583k jobs added

    Headline 'Jobs Added" Numbers:

    July 163k
    June 80k
    May 69k
    April 115k
    March 120k
    February 227k
    January 243k

    1,017k headline added

    So, they are either highly incompetent, or lying.
     
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    I'm sorry January should not be included.

    Headline jobs added should be 774K

    Overestimation of about 30-40%
     
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    Can I pick more than 1 ?
     
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    Watch liberals stay away in droves- as they always do when facts and data are presented.
     
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    id respond if I knew wth he was talking about
     
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    On yearly scale (aug 2011-July 2012)

    Headline jobs added monthly:

    103
    80
    120
    200
    243
    227
    120
    115
    69
    80
    163

    Total Headline Jobs added 1.52M

    Aug 2011 139754
    Jul 2012 142220

    Count of Employed +2.47M

    An underestimation of 1M.

    I'm leaning towards incompetence.
     
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    in a nutshell these reports are pretty much voodoo numbers. Super complicated calculations go into them and even then it is educated guess.
     
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    most conspiracys are based on people making conclusions about things they dont understand
     
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    What the heck is going on with their data?

    Labor Force Statistics from the Current Population Survey

    Seasonal adjustment of the Employed

    June: 142415

    July: 142220 (- 195K)

    But jobs added went up??

    Huh?
     
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    oooh so you think that if you add jobs, the number of employed should increase by the exact same amount?

    because nobody switches jobs? nobody retires? nobody quits?
     
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    hey...be kind. Math is HARD for some people!
     
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    No man....the headlines of "jobs added" dont even closely resemble the count of jobs counted in a year.

    Basically we have "jobs added" as a headline number of 1.5M over the course of a year, but actually 2.5M more people are working!

    They ain't doin sumtin right.

    Now, as we get closer to election, suddenly the "headlines" are overestimating.
     
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    Another oddity - ADP private payrolls matched BLS jobs added.

    163k

    Any time thats ever happened before?
     
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    Part time job growth outpacing full time

    Seasonally adjusted data:

    Full time workers

    March 2012
    115,290K

    July 2012
    114,345K

    Net: -945K

    Part time workers
    March 2012
    26,912K

    July 2012
    27,925K

    Net: +1,013K
     
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    Or someone is just uninformed about what they do.

    BLS has always conducted two separate surveys going back decades. They measure different things and thus you get different results.

    This is nothing new. Just the results of a household survey, on the one hand, and a business survey, on the other.
     
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    I know why they are different.

    ...however, they mean the BLS numbers are useless month to month, week to week.

    This July had to highest birth/death rate and seasonal adjustment for July, EVER. Why?
     
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    I disagree. That may mean they are not perfect, but that doesn't mean they are useless.
     
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    In addition to their regular report, the BLS published benchmark revisions to their employment estimates derived from an actual payroll count for March 2009. As a result, job losses from April 2008 through March 2009 were revised up a whopping 930,000, or 23% from their earlier revisions. In addition, the BLS revised their job loss estimates for 2009 up 617,000, or 14.8%.

    Read more: http://articles.businessinsider.com...1_job-losses-trimtabs-jobs-data#ixzz22VaiDZsT


    They are off from original estimates, consistently in the 1M per year range.

    This month, they report conflicting stories. Its not helpful.
     
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    June to July labor force numbers:

    2002 -2,000
    2003 -316,000
    2004 +382,000
    2005 +312,000
    2006 -151,000
    2007 -158,000
    2008 -208,000
    2009 -112,000
    2010 +2,000
    2011 +65,000
    2012 -195,000 <- largest labor force loss since 2008
     

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