It's The Hillary Clinton Show!

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  1. Ddyad

    Ddyad Well-Known Member

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    Shame on Hannity, Giuliana and that awful Trump for doing anything to discourage Hillary from running again. Hillary is tanned, rested and ready. :)
     
  2. Renee

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    Gee, you can’t seem to get around the hate, can you?
    What is so comical is you calling us using the double standard. It was the right thatwent ballistic over Obama’s birth certificate that trump bragged he could prove was fake..and hillary forced for hours weeks and months... and yet his extremist base doesn’t want trump investigated for our very democracy. He counts on people like you...who love him more than they care about the country . They know he is a pathological liar but live in denial
    Let me ask you one quick question. Obama during his last year wanted to appoint a Supreme Court justice. McConnell said he shouldn’t be able to do that in his last year. But now he is saying if Trump has to appoint a Supreme Court justice in his last year it would be OK .
     
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    Think we should impeach hillary :)
     
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    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    In order to have a realistic opinion or make logical, just decisions you simply can't use one standard for the people you favor and another for those you disagree with. Unfortunately, that is rampant among democrats today, to the point of total denial of the clearest evidence unless it suits them. Now I don't deny that all political groups don't do that to some degree. I don't deny that Trump has a lot of faults- But I do state that the alternatives were far more heavily faulted in my opinion, and Trump was the right choice. My first choice didn't wind up on the final ballot, and we do have to choose between those who are.

    There's no since arguing with anyone who simply refuses to acknowledge equal facts as equal. Now the garbage about poor Hillary forced for hours and months... To do what? There was no real investigation; she got a pass before they even examined the evidence. Kavanaugh went through a hundred times more stress, and in the face of no legitimate evidence at all. The dems want to impeach Trump over a whistleblower that wasn't a witness to anything- just was repeating things he said he "heard important people say". That's hearsay, rumor or gossip- but to the dems, that's good enough to use as an excuse for an attempt at impeachment. They know it's crap, it's just another way to keep the dust flying. And you have no idea what I feel about my country.... that too is a comment designed to win your argument with as assumption- one groundless in every way.

    Hostility, extremism and hatred do nothing but harm the country. I abhor that- you defend that. Thus, you do not get my respect; I can't believe anyone who loves the country can endorse and support what is going on. Trump's term is limited. But the damage the hate is doing will last long after trump is dead and gone. Think about that.
     
  5. Renee

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    There is something funny about what you are writing. Basically you’re saying that only your facts are right and that those who show verified facts are part of either a conspiracy or a hoax or something
    I guess you’re right about Hillary those hours of grilling and investigating her were part of a conspiracy. I’m sure the Republicans really love her and just wanted to help her (sarcasm alert)
    So you want to ignore the whistleblower because he was not a witness to anything but the 10 or so witnesses who reported to him are just to be ignored . Pretend it was Hillary or Obama, would you want them investigated for something as serious as this sounds? Try to be honest with yourself. Hopefully for you it will be nothing but if he has committed a crime, is that OK with you?
    .This is what you do. You attack the messengers and ignore all the messages. The woman who was attacked by Cavanaugh has her life threatened over and over. But of course when one in four women have been sexually assaulted they shouldn’t be believed
    I like the way you say hostility ,extremism do nothing but harm the country. Do you even listen to the stupidity that comes out of your presidents mouth? Do you hear how he disparages everyone who disagrees with him? You don’t think that is hostility? Have you ever heard a man and his position speak like that? The only time I have heard it is with my seventh graders. The hatred has been fostered by trump And for you to ignore that and blame those who are victims of it should shame you but it doesn’t. So stop making accusations ..you’re not morally superior, quite the opposite
     
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    How can you assume that she was "grilled" at all? The decision that she was just careless was made before the fact, for god sake.
    I've never seen a more dangerous and fraudulent politician that Hillary- and I remember Joe McCarthy.

    IF those allegations of hearsay are true, where are those that said it? The "whistleblower"didn't name anybody. That's a lot like the "Somebody did something" crap about 911 that came from the little Islamic that marries her brother and who knows what else. IF what the guy is factual, why does he dance around the campfire with BS instead of naming names?
    You've got to be skeptical of your own people, not just the opposition. If you can't, you shouldn't consider yourself anything but biased and deceptive.

    The "woman who was attacked by Kavanaugh". Smooth play there- her case wouldn't have cleared any kind of legal test. There is great doubt she was anything but another false accuser. You however, have absolutely no doubt- and give Kavanaugh no credibility at all. That is the equivalent of "Bearing FalseWitness", and we are seeing that from dems everyday.
    Should people be mad about that? Damn right they should. When peoples lives can be destroyed by one of us accusing them of something we can't prove or the accuser can't even remember any details of, everyone of us is at the mercy of every person who for some reason doesn't like us- or just like to hurt people and disrupt society. You approve of that? If not, why do it?
    Do you approve of it when Trump is the target, but not otherwise? Exactly.

    I don't know what they call it where you come from- but that IS double standard. We have proof of Hillary being in line for charges, and got an inside pass from cronies- and you feel sorry for her. We have zip on Kavanaugh, and you want to label him a sex offender for life.

    And- you think that is "Morally superior".

    No wonder things are getting so bad. Every time Trump does anything, you have a new excuse for being "morally superior" in your style.

    YOU are entitled to believe whatever you wish about Trump.
     
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    Short term memory loss is a sign of aging.

    *Washington (CNN)Hillary Clinton met with the FBI for three and a half hours Saturday as part of the investigation into her use of a private email server while leading the State Department, her campaign said.

    "Secretary Clinton gave a voluntary interview this morning about her email arrangements while she was secretary," Clinton spokesman Nick Merrill said in a statement. "She is pleased to have had the opportunity to assist the Department of Justice in bringing this review to a conclusion."*
    https://www.cnn.com/2016/07/02/politics/clinton-meets-with-fbi-as-part-of-email-probe/index.html

    How many hours of testimony did Trump provide to Mueller? Sorry, perhaps you've forgotten. 0 hours, 0 minutes.
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    *The report contradicts President Trump’s often-expressed belief that the investigation was rigged to get Clinton off the hook. Justice Department inspector general Michael Horowitz found little affirmative evidence on the whole that political bias affected officials’ handling of the probe itself. (You can read the full text at this link.)

    Indeed, FBI director Christopher Wray — appointed by Trump to replace Comey last year — said at a Thursday afternoon press conference that “this report did not find any evidence of political bias or improper considerations actually impacting the investigation under review.”*

    However, Horowitz was far more critical on two specific fronts.
    https://www.vox.com/2018/6/14/17448960/inspector-general-report-justice-fbi-clinton-emails-comey

    "We have proof of Hillary being in line for charges, and got an inside pass from cronies"

    What proof?
     
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    Keep up the pure BS barrage, Atwater. you may yet convince me to have the BS/abuse meter built to scan all your posts and keep the facts straight for people who actually think for themselves and don't keep their foot on one side of the scale. In the meantime, find yourself a stump.
     
  9. Renee

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    Isn’t it amazing that you have never seen a more fraudulent person than Hillary Clinton and yet the Republicans couldn’t find anything fraudulent. Why don’t you just admit you hate her? I am sure you remembered Chillicothe because it’s starting. Everything is fake news
    How do you know what the whistleblower said? He did know people who were there
    And of course the woman who accused Cavanaugh was a liar. I have your number because I met men like you ... but one good thing was accomplished and that was the #me too movement.I’m sure you don’t believe that Trump paid off a porn star and I’m sure you don’t believe that Trump bragged about grabbing women’s crotches and I’m sure you don’t believe that Trump went into teenage girls lockers rooms.No only men tell the truth. But if you remember Joe McCarthy you are elderly and in those days men got away with all kinds of things. I am old also and have been sexually assaulted but wouldn’t dream of reporting it at the time because men like you would never believe me.why do you suppose the accuser spoke out? For sympathy? It’s amazing when statistics show you that one out of four women have been sexually assaulted you just think the men are innocent. Thank goodness for the movement because men have to change their behavior
    You seem obsessed with Hillary so maybe you should start a movement to impeach her. LOLBut then again you obviously need Hillary to distract from what is going on in the White House
    I will tell you one thing I am morally superior to Donald Trump and I hope you are also
     
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    The US government and FBI couldn't make a case stick against Al Capone, either, so you know he wasn't a mobster, right? Just a vicious prosecutor that finally nailed him on tax charges and put him in Alcatraz.. One thing lawyers know how to do- and some far better than others- is to do dishonest things legally. If you seriously look into the Clinton history, it is littered with events that demonstrate that. The Clintons left the white house near broke. But while she was secretary of state- their net worth soared to around $100 million. Foriegn companies who never hired speakers but needed state department approvals hired Bill, then got approvals. One example was a Scandinavian company who had been trying for two years to get an application through gave bill $750K for a 40 minute speech- and got approved. It's like selling you a toothpick for a grand, so the cash flow can't be tied to the approval of a deal.

    One book includes an interesting point- Ask the average person how many people they have personally been involved with who died or disappeared under mysterious circumstances, and the typical answer is ONE. For the Clintons- it's 90. Check up on the numerous secret service men who wrote books after retiring- men assigned to protect her as first lady and Sec of state. An agent passed her and greets her- "Good morning, Mam" and the response is F-OFF. She tells them to hide when they see her coming, because she doesn't want to look at them. Off-camera- she has been a bitch on wheels all her life. A Jekyl-Hyde.

    Trump doesn't hide who he is, so you see his flaws and hate him for it. Clinton hides hers, has done it all her life and is a master at conning the public- and you love her for it.

    JFK's father Joe Kennedy is reported to have advised John F this way: In politics, it doesn't matter who you are- only what people think you are." That is Clintons game plan.
    That's true because so many of us are gullible fools not willing to deal with reality, and we can be conned into supporting corrupt people pretending to be honest and moral.
    How do you think so many morally corrupt people have got into office? Ever ask yourself if there actually is a moral person in congress, or if one could get elected if they were?

    In the ethics manuals of congress, there is a simple list of 10 rules, an ethics code passsed by congress long ago that applies to every government employee. It's clean, honest, and says much more than the other 500 pages. Only one change from the time it was passed for all government, an that is that the header that used in the general version that states all employees shall follow them, the congress revised theirs to say "should" follow them. Virtually every member of congress violates every one of those 10 rules every day. I have a copy of that saved somewhere; can't find it at the moment but I will, and I will post it.

    One more thing. When I was 10 years old- almost 70 years ago- I was sexually molested by a man working for my father, a man my father thought was his close and trusted friend. Happened three times. I can still remember exactly what happened each time, exactly what he said, exactly where it happened and when. When that man showed up at my father's funeral 30 years later- I personally called him out in front of the people there, and physically threw him out. Such events are branded into your mind; you don't forget the details- ever. Christine Blasey Ford was not attacked by Kavanaugh.
     
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    Here's the current version of the employee ethics rules- now 14 instead of 10.
    See if you can think of any member of congress who is not in violation.

    ETHICS RULES FOR ALL GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES

    Fourteen Principles of Ethical Conduct for Federal Employees

    1. Public service is a public trust; employees must place loyalty to the Constitution, the laws, and ethical principles above private gain.

    2. Employees shall not hold financial interests that conflict with the conscientious performance of duty.

    3. Employees shall not engage in financial transactions using nonpublic Government information or allow the improper use of such information to further any private interest.

    4. Employee shall not, except as permitted by the Standards of Ethical Conduct, solicit or accept any gift or other item of monetary value from any person or entity seeking official action from, doing business with, or conducting activities regulated by the employee's agency, or whose interests may be substantially affected by the performance or nonperformance of the employee's duties.

    5. Employees shall put forth honest effort in the performance of their duties.

    6. Employees shall not knowingly make unauthorized commitments or promises of any kind purporting to bind the Government.

    7. Employees shall not use public office for private gain.

    8. Employees shall act impartially and not give preferential treatment to any private organization or individual.

    9. Employees shall protect and conserve Federal property and shall not use it for other than authorized activities.

    10. Employees shall not engage in outside employment or activities - including seeking or negotiating for employment - that conflict with official Government duties and responsibilities.

    11. Employees shall disclose waste, fraud, abuse, and corruption to appropriate authorities.

    12. Employees shall satisfy in good faith their obligations as citizens, including all financial obligations, especially those imposed by law, such as Federal, state, or local taxes.

    13. Employees shall adhere to all laws and regulations that provide equal opportunity for all Americans regardless of race, color, religion, sex, national origin, age, or handicap.

    14. Employees shall endeavor to avoid any actions creating the appearance that they are violating the law or the ethical standards set forth in the Standards of Ethical Conduct. Whether particular circumstances create an appearance that the law or these standards have been violated shall be determined from the perspective of a reasonable person with knowledge of the relevant facts.
    These principles form the basis for the standards of ethical conduct regulation (5 C.F.R. part 2635) that is discussed and illustrated by examples on the following pages. A violation of these rules could result in disciplinary action or, for certain offenses, prosecution under related criminal statutes on conflicts of interest.
     
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    I wish you could make your diatribes shorter. I don’t need all that pontificating.
    But I skimmed a few things especially with your hillary distraction. What is wrong if Bill Clinton gets $750,000 for a speech? Is that illegal? And what does that have to do with Hillary? What is wrong if they are millionaires? I’m a nobody and I get at least $5000 for an hour speech. If I could get 100,000 I would be very happy. I was ven told I should charge more. But like Bill and Hillary I sometimes speak for no fee at all
    I was sexually molested also and I don’t remember the details. You think Christine Ford was not attacked by Kavanagh? I don’t believe you were attacked by your father’s friend.You’re just making it up.gee how come it took you 30 years? Come on now, it never happened.
     
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    You are something else- a good example of why the left is in such deep trouble.

    Bill gets $750K while the people who paid for it get State Department Apps approved. The entire purpose of that is to launder the money, which can make it "legal". If the incidence of this was an isolated event or didn't have a correlation between speech money, foundation contributions and State Department favors- it wouldn't be questionable, but that correlation IS there and in multiple examples.

    Glad to hear you doubt my childhood molestation, but have no problem believing Kavanaugh attacked a woman who can't remember when or how.
    Shows how your moral judgment is one of convenience, and directly tied to your political mindset. AKA Situation ethics.

    A large number of people have been molested as kids- and I've done a couple programs for such people, so I've heard many of their stories. What I said was true; real victims do not forget the details. You undoubtedly know people who were victims, but probably don't know about the events they experienced. If you do- ask them if they remember when and how. Ask them how many people they have told, and how long it was before they did.

    And I think your "sexual molestation" sounds more like an improper but consensual event that conveniently fits your argument for the moment. Those do not imprint with the permanence of forced attacks and in such case, you might not recall the details. I can believe what you say in part- "I'm a nobody" seems plausible. $5000 an hour however does not. Honorable people don't bend truth and sprinkle it with BS to make a point.
     

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