It's Time the US stood up to Putin.

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  1. navigator2

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    Did you just wake up from an extended nap?

    Trump expelling 60 Russian diplomats in wake of UK nerve agent attack

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/26/politics/us-expel-russian-diplomats/index.html
     
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    Barack Obama and the DNC could have never dreamt of finding a friend like Putin and Russia.

    The last thing Putin wanted was having John McCain winning the 2008 Presidential election.

    To show his appreciation, President Obama gave Putin everything he wanted with nothing in exchange.
     
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    Trump has been the toughest President against Russia so far.

    Next!
     
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    This is as funny and as false as the Russian Collusion investigation. :roflol:

    Putin led Obama around by his nose.
     
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    It's a shame that your boy Obama wanted to wheel and deal with Putin...

     
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    Ask him why Obama pulled missile defense systems from Poland and Czechoslovakia to appease Putin. Why did Putin pay Hillary and suddenly Hillary suggested we ease sanctions on Russia?

    Putin led Obama around by his nose. Literally. Putin could bully Obama and pay off Hillary Clinton. With ease.

    Obama et al was colluding with Russia. Bill Barr is jumping all over this, very soon. :)
     
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    There is little doubt about that. And they didn't really have to give Trump any instructions, either. His instinct is to a low information, tabloid and triviality obsessed public. He panders to all of the casual prejudices of unsophisticated people, to bigots and xenphobes. Teh formula is actually as old as Father Couglin, and it has been the coin of the rehlm in right wing media since Newt Gingrich was a junior Congressman from Georgia and Limbaugh was still a disc jockey.

    Trump just branded it and supercharged it.

    Appealing to the fears an prejudices of people is divisive by definition. And Trump is a petty little bully who uses people's weaknesses and fears to exploit them.

    The Russians didn't have to tell him to do that.

    But I'm sure they did have to tell him to ignore the sanctions. And he kept running to them throughout his campaign, and afterwards.
     
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  8. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    Putin's machinations to damage the US are far more covert, such as those methods he employed to subvert the 2016 presidential election. Unless thoroughly exposed and forcefully confronted, such perfidy will persist.

    Surrender to Putin is not an option.
     
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    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    Hyper-partisan diversions, no matter how desperate, do not serve US interests.

    All aspects of Putin's subverting the 2016 election need to be exposed, regardless of in whose interest it may be to conceal them.
     
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    You can obsess over your Trump if you need to.

    My concern is for the integrity of US elections, and the need to expose the sordid details of Putin's covert perversions in the 2016 election.

    If the nation surrenders to Putin as some hyper-partisan zealots wish, he will persist.

    Republican-led Senate Committee Intelligence report:

    We assess Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered an influence campaign in 2016 aimed at the U.S. presidential election. Russia's goals were to undermine public faith in the U.S. democratic process, denigrate Secretary Clinton, and harm her electability and potential presidency. We further assess Putin and the Russian Government developed a clear preference for President-elect Trump.
     
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    Yours is a joke of an OP. The Russian threat to our electoral process and the security of this nation is a laughable joke in comparison to threat posed by the Establishment. This would be like comparing a rain drop to hurricane.

    Further - we engage in meddling in the electoral process of other nations in a way that far surpasses a few facebook ads - ads which spoke the Truth.

    Time to wake up and smell the flatus - and stop buying into the Orwellian doublespeak propaganda claiming that the voter knowing "The Truth" harmed our electoral process and is some "grave threat" to national security.
     
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    Putin may be covert and subversive, but yes, force and violence is the only way to confront him -- if you expect to get results. Sanctions would be a long shot.
     
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    Who unilaterally withdrew defensive missiles from Eastern Europe? President Obama. Who sold uranium to Russia? President Obama. Who said, "I'll have more flexibility after the election", and then did absolutely nothing when Putin invaded Ukraine and annexed Crimea? President Obama. Who sent socks and blankets to Ukraine? President Obama. (Prescient Gov Sarah Palin)



    Who allowed the State Department to be run like a garage sale letting Crooked Hillary Clinton pay for play scams and accepting $145 million in bribes to the Clinton Foundation for the Uranium One deal? President Obama. Who allowed rapist Bill Clinton to be paid $500,000 for a speech to Russian banks in Moscow? President Obama. Who allowed Russia into Syria? President Obama. Who signed the terrible Iran deal with Russian surrogate Iran? President Obama. Who gave the Crooked Hillary Clinton campaign dirt on Donald Trump with a Russian dossier paid for by the FBI and the DNC? RUSSIA!

    Who got dirt on Crooked Hillary Clinton at aTrump Tower meeting with Manafort, Don Jr and Jared Kushner? NOBODY! If Putin wanted to give Trump dirt kn Crooked Hillary, why didn't they do it when they supposedly had a meeting with an alleged "Russian agent", Natalia Veselnitskaya? Because that was a set up too. She worked with Fusion GPS. She was there to spy on the Trumps.

    Who increased American oil and gas production which hurts Russia's bottom line? President Trump. Who has pressured Germany's Merkel to stop buying Russian oil? President Trump. Who has increased European spending on NATO $140 billion since taking office? President Trump. Who sent actual military aid to Ukraine? President Trump. Who's taking on Putin Puppet Maduro in Venezuela? President Trump. Who put defensive missiles back into Eastern Europe? President Trump. Who is increasing defense spending? President Trump. Who proposed Space Force? President Trump. Who is upgrading our nuclear arsenal? President Trump. Who wiped out ISIS? President Trump. Who killed Russian mercs in Syria? President Trump. Who Has the toughest sanctions ever against Russia? President Trump. Who expelled over 100 Russian embassy personnel and closed 3 Russian consulates? President Trump.

    I'm forgetting the rest. But you see where this is going. Putin wanted Crooked Hillary, not Trump.
     
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    The evidence we have now is that both Obama and Hillary were using foreign agents to undermine our democracy.
     
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    Whether you like to believe that in no way impacts the need to expose Putin's perversions as a vital matter of US national security.

    Republican-led Senate Committee Intelligence report:

    We assess Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered an influence campaign in 2016 aimed at the U.S. presidential election. Russia's goals were to undermine public faith in the U.S. democratic process, denigrate Secretary Clinton, and harm her electability and potential presidency. We further assess Putin and the Russian Government developed a clear preference for President-elect Trump.
     
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    Putin's attack upon the US democratic system in 2016 is merely one instance of his efforts to underminie western democracies.

    Exposing the details of his clandestine machinations is the first, necessary step.
     
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    You are entitled to your perspective.

    A hostile, foreign power sabotaging the US democratic process is a reality that must be confronted.
     
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    And we interfere with other country's elections and affairs.

    What's your point?
     
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    News flash: #RussianCollusionHoax

    Russia didn't hack the election, didn't change one vote, and no American changed their vote from Crooked Hillary to Trump because of a Russian bot Facebook ads.

    Russia is not a threat to our elections. One huge hoax.
     
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    It's not 100% that Russia was the source for Wikileaks. The IC has not shown proof. If they have proof, they should declassify it.
     
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    Not a reality. A hoax paid for by Crooked Hillary laundering money through Perkins Coie to avoid accountability and the FEC reporting requirements, to Fusion GPS to Christopher Steele to Russian contacts close to the Kremlin.
     
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    What war with the Russians?
     
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    We should oppose communism wherever it rises it's ugly head.
    Lenin after all was thr butt ugliest man to ever exist.
     
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    special pleading is what the right wing does best, and claim they must be right, simply because they are on the right wing.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...em-as-a-gift-to-putin/?utm_term=.6b33ae22468a
     
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    English not your first language?
    Do you understand what pushing for a war means?
     

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