It's time to treat Russia and China fairly

This from British Columbia:

"Past week, cases per 100,000 population after adjusting for age (March 10-16)

• Not vaccinated: 66.5
• Partially vaccinated: 18.0
• Fully vaccinated: 28.2

Past two weeks, cases hospitalized per 100,000 population after adjusting for age (March 3-16)

• Not vaccinated: 30.4
• Partially vaccinated: 12.3
• Fully vaccinated: 6.9"

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https://news.gov.bc.ca/releases/2022HLTH0090-000382

Do you get it now? People were more than four times as likely to end up in hospital if they were unvaccinated.

Don't you ever get tired of being wrong?

 

Don't you get that hospitals are much more likely to be overwhelmed if authorities concentrate on number of cases and constantly test, for example?

 

My wife works for a hospital, and recently (say, the past few months, if not longer) the number of people ADMITTED specifically for Covid (meaning it's not just some pregnant woman who is there to give birth who just happens to have a mild case) were running roughly 90-95% unvaccinated. You think that's just a coincidence?

Don't get me wrong, I think people have and should have an absolute right to refuse the jabs, and should not be forced by government to do so, but there may be consequences to that decision.

 

Hospitals have to separate covid patients because they can kill people with weakened immune systems so they have to test. If they didn't and you caught covid when getting a stent, you could sue their butt off. As far as the "authorities," that they count doesn't negatively impact the figures I quoted.

I don't know where you get your ideas, but the facts are pretty straightforward. The vaccines reduce the chance of hospitalization, even with the Omicron variant.

By encouraging people not to get vaccinated, you push us in the direction of overrunning the hospitals if we have a variant as infectious as Omicron and as nasty as Delta. You have to know if we get to the edge, pols will choose tough mitigation measures rather than be held responsible for heart patients dying because they can't get hospital care.

 

Pols don't dare let hospitals get overrun with covid patients and the consequences you mention can include the lockdowns.

 

Regardless, it's a personal decision, no matter how unwise it might be. I question if it's even Constitutional.

 

Well, government can close businesses, schools, enforce vaccine passports and order curfews when low voluntary vaccination rates threaten to fill our hospitals with unvaccinated covid patients.

What would you prefer—let hospitals get overrun, mandate vaccines or order physical distancing? Something else?

 

Dude, figure it out, just once. Because of herd immunity, the high mortality of Covid is over.

The only ones who should still be guarded about Covid are the very same ones we knew back in March of 2020 were the most vulnerable to Covid:
(1) the elderly
(2) those with multiple comorbidities

Sidenote: Do you realize this latest craze by Americans, at least, to take heath supplements and being generally more health conscious is a way for people to become less co-morbidic??

 

We can hope the worst is over, but there are no guarantees. I'm not going to waste my time explaining to you the possible consequence of a deadly, highly transmissible variant that evades immunity conferred by vaccines or previous infection.

We don't know the health impact of "long covid," or who will experience the complication and how long it may last, so I submit everyone should at least try to avoid catching covid.

You and other mandate-haters don't seem to understand a significant number of people changing their spending habits away from in-person services will damage the economy, perhaps significantly. Likewise, vaccine passports carry the same risk by also limiting spending for in-person services. Businesses like restaurants can only thrive when covid is less of a threat and people are not told to stay away (vaccine passports) or stay away to avoid catching covid because of health concerns, either or themselves or others. The only mitigation measure that doesn't cause an in-person services problem are the vaccines.

Why do you call it a "latest craze?" Seems to me that building a more healthy immune system makes sense.

 

I would prefer that the feds and other States do it like we did here in Florida. No mandates, no vaccine passports (in fact, it's illegal to ask), let businesses open as they see fit, and let people take the jab as they see fit. For awhile, many here were outright mocking Florida for our Covid policies, especially at the peak of the last variant. "Deathsantis" was the name the left labeled our Governor with and we were the butt of many jokes.

But it turns out we just hit our peak sooner than other States, our hospitalization rates have dropped by some 90% since the peak, and there was no peak in folks kicking the bucket. Our hospitals were never overrun, we didn't have maskless people infecting the uninfected at any noticeable rate, curfews, or anything else you feared, and our policies, now that all is said and done, did not cause any substantively different results than anyone else's, including NYC where you couldn't even buy a loaf of bread or have a job without showing your papers, comrade.

So, which would you prefer? Florida's way, or the Soviet-like policies of places like Noo Jork?

 

Florida covid death rates are five times higher than in British Columbia in Canada. In BC, schools have been open since a brief shutdown in early 2020. Lockdowns? Never. A lot of Floridians have died unnecessarily, Same goes for New York.