It's unhealthy to be an atheist...

See what?

 

That you're a solipsist. You believe in no reality outside your own mind....

except perhaps as long as it completely agrees with whatever you believe. (IOW, if reality denies something as true that you believe?....you deny it is reality)

 

You have no comprehension of the breadth of my beliefs. Therefore, yours is simply unsupported opinion.

 

Your definition of objective reality, is assuming that you are outside of the universe, like some god, looking down upon it. But that isn't the hard fact of the matter. You are in this universe, not outside it, so you are looking from the inside, in. So reality isn't outside your skull, but is inclusive of your skull. Most people never notice this. For they are programmed to think, we are like gods, from the outside, looking down on what we call objectivity.

We are probably, consciousness is probably, creating that so called objective reality. For you are not a god, looking down upon it. You are it. You are not separate at all, just a process in a great number of processes. It is ego arrogance that can claim to be separate, when in fact, nothing is separate.

 

No, that is not my definition, nor my perception.

I guess the fact that "subjective reality" CAN ONLY EXIST within a sapient mind and its imperfect sensory array, entirely escapes you.

We do not create objective reality since it is the fabric of all known existence. But we sure as hell do create our own interpretations (subjective) of what goes on around us and within us.

 

Yes, I am aware that each individual human has a subjective perception of the objective reality in which our particle structures are inextricably immersed.

However, our subjective perception and interpretation of objective reality does not in anyway invalidate the universality of objective reality.

 

Can you prove that claim? Thought: If every living human was removed from history and current life, would there be an 'objective reality'?

 

Does that include God?

 

And once one gets to that state where there are no words, what exactly is it that would direct one to the god of the bible?
I would think that if a religious person truly meditates successfuly he would toss that old book and never again even think about going to church.

 

Good post OM.. Consider this phrase from the 'Bible': I am that: I am. Notice also that I did not use quotation marks as I did not make a quote. However, the phrase expressed as I have expressed it, demonstrates what you have said when we consider our oneness with "reality". Any object that is desired to have knowledge about, place yourself as a component part of 'that'. Of course the comments above will likely receive the ridicule of those who enjoy my conversation pieces.

 

OMG... that highlighted text above indicates that 'reality' as detected by our senses creates a distortion of that 'reality' and that 'distortion' is transmitted to our mind wherein it is analyzed as ????? distorted? twisted? 'not true'?????? Wow. Thanks for that input Jonsa. I would never have guessed that your portion of mind would come to such cognition. Thank you again.

 

I have attempted to describe the difference between objective reality which exists independently of any particular individual and their "subjective perception" of that reality. this seems to be a rather difficult concept for you to grasp. true to form.

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Does a bear crap in the woods?

 

So you cannot answer the question with an intelligent answer. OK.. That truly shows the level of your scientific training.

 

Studies also show non-smokers live longer, but I still enjoy a smooth cigar from time to time. Life is about deciding your preferences and expressing them in the world around you.

I don't much care about atheism. Whatever. Some people believe in God, I do not. I feel no need to shove my disbelief down their throats, and would feel quite at home in a religious community, or in church praying.

 

Just because an answer zooms over your head does not mean it is unintelligent.

Keep trying.

 

Opinion, yes. And it is very well supported, by you communicating in these forums.

 

Well if a response is zooming out in the ionosphere then it is unlikely to be seen.

 

Supported by further opinions???? What,,, no PROOF???

 

Ahh, you must have me confused with someone else. In fact I believe your argument is flawed in general. It is the earthly actions they are focusing on, which potentially gain their access to heaven. But me personally, I do not worry about heaven, my access to heaven is completely out of my hands, no need to worry about it.

 

Erm, what does that even mean?

 

I agree...heck, the other day I spent my last dollar on a scratch off ticket and prayed to the Flying Spaghetti Monster for it to be a winner, and I won $10, which proves that the Flying Spaghetti Monster is real, and will conquer all other deities when the End Times comes to Fruition. I suggest you switch over to my religion, or risk spending your afterlife burning up in a hot pot of Spaghetti Hell Sauce!

 

I wasn't talking about you in particular, but religious people in general. And my argument isn't flawed at all. If your actions here are done with the intent of gaining access to heaven, instead of making life here the best it can be, then I believe you are making a mistake. It's that simple.

 

You might want to do a little more research. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faulty_generalization

 

It means that we are a product of the universe itself, composed of the same fundamental particles that make up everything we see.
It means that when our anthropocentric conceit is stripped away, we are left with exactly the same little pieces as everything else.
It means that our bodies are inextricably and directly linked to the rest of the cosmos by the fact of our composition.
It also means that no matter how subjectively we wish to perceive the universe, objective reality remains constant.

 

I have no issues with that explanation, with the exception that despite what we are composed of, we are still human beings, with all the talents and conceits that implies. And ultimately, all we have is each other. So I think the reasonable thing to do would be for each and every one of us to strive to, as Einstein said, "widen our circles of compassion to embrace all of humanity, and all of nature in its entirety. While no one can achieve this completely, the striving for such achievement is a part of the liberation and a foundation for inner security." That's my take, anyway.