January 6 Hearing Session 6: "They're not here to hurt ME"

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Golem, Jun 28, 2022.

  1. popscott

    popscott Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 3, 2021
    Messages:
    18,921
    Likes Received:
    12,658
    Trophy Points:
    113
    This is most definitely a democrat political policy... a political stunt with all the circus clowns that have already voted to impeach Trump...

    Do you know what Hutchinson said in her other 4 (four) testimonies? This makes the fifth... what did she say different in those that makes this a real barn burner? Why did she change lawyers right before this fifth testimony? Did she tell the SUV story before in the other four testimonies?
     
  2. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2012
    Messages:
    41,740
    Likes Received:
    15,061
    Trophy Points:
    113
    It's very frustrating for Trump bum kissers to watch so many conservative Republicans, including high-ranking Trump regime insiders, exposing the liar in sworn, corroborated testimony.

    The weird worshipers' ever-metastasizing paranoia will soon cast all but a residue of dead-enders as "Democrats."


    The Cry Baby Loser will need trailer-loads of ketchup delivered to Mar-a-Lago. He's now raving about a person whom he recently said he "hardly knew."

    Trump belittled Cassidy Hutchinson, who testified before the Jan. 6 committee on Tuesday, as “this girl” in an angry new attack on the House panel investigating the attack on the Capitol.

    Displaying deep frustration with Hutchinson’s revelations, Trump called the 26-year-old ex-White House staffer a no-name junior aide and a liar.

    Screen Shot 2020-07-21 at 8.24.20 AM.png

    “For this girl to just make up stories ...,” said Trump, whose voice trailed off in an interview that aired Thursday on the far right-wing Newsmax network.

    “She has serious problems ... mental problems,” Trump added.

    [https://www.yahoo.com/now/trump-derides-jan-6-committee-233200407.html]

    Screen Shot 2022-06-30 at 8.10.49 PM.png

    Cassidy Hutchinson testified under oath before the
    The U.S. House Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the United States Capitol

    The Cry Baby Loser refuses to.
    (He'd rather blow gas on entertainment media.)
     
  3. dairyair

    dairyair Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2010
    Messages:
    79,135
    Likes Received:
    19,982
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Blame it on your party. They got mad and went home.
    It's fair if one side is a cry baby. The repub side is just that.
     
  4. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2012
    Messages:
    41,740
    Likes Received:
    15,061
    Trophy Points:
    113
    If Republicans had agreed to serve on the Committee, we would not have heard from so many Republicans.

    Amidst all the hysterics by the deranged weird worshipers, I came across this unusually cerebral defense, methodically challenging all Hutchinson's substantive accounts:

    Standing there lying on the President of the United States of America, the only legitimate one, and you're sitting there lying through your teeth because you are a witch,” he yells in the video. “You are a rebellious Jezebel with your little lezzie spirit.”

    “You look like you're a walking zombie. You lie. You lie. You lie. You lie. We know you lied. You know you lied. You're a liar!” he added.

    [https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/trump-cultist-maga-pastor-calls-161228248.html]

    He may have been paraphrasing Clarence Darrow.
     
    Last edited: Jul 1, 2022
    Rampart and MJ Davies like this.
  5. MJ Davies

    MJ Davies Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 4, 2020
    Messages:
    21,120
    Likes Received:
    20,249
    Trophy Points:
    113
    They don't care. Sidney Powell TESTIFIED UNDER OATH that she LIED about "widespread election fraud" and they are still trying to beat us over the head with that BS. She's definitely a Trumper, currently funding Oath Keepers. So, obviously, no amount of actual FACTS matter.
     
    Rampart and dairyair like this.
  6. MJ Davies

    MJ Davies Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 4, 2020
    Messages:
    21,120
    Likes Received:
    20,249
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Well, I guess their side is very lucky to have such sane (read: psycho nutjobs) doing whatever the hell he thinks he's doing with that. It's certainly helps her side so something good comes out of it. /smdh

    P.S. I had to reread his name. You could have pulled that kind of sewage straight out of my mother's playbook. She's a "good Christian" too. Ha Ha NO SUCH THING EXISTS.
     
    Rampart likes this.
  7. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2012
    Messages:
    41,740
    Likes Received:
    15,061
    Trophy Points:
    113
    It it typical. No substantive refutations, merely hysterical, unsubstantiated personal vilifications -

    -the fate of any Republican who does not debase herself and kowtows to Trumpery.
     
    Rampart and MJ Davies like this.
  8. MJ Davies

    MJ Davies Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 4, 2020
    Messages:
    21,120
    Likes Received:
    20,249
    Trophy Points:
    113
    It would break the rules to name names but somebody on that side posted recently about how sorry he feels for Afghani women because of how they are treated in their culture. He ignored my response that the US isn't too far removed from that. I guess they think it's all good because we don't force our women to wear burkas and travel with male relatives in public. It's like people that don't believe racism is very deeply ingrained in our society and very much prevalent for minorities. To them it's all good because black people aren't publicly lynched and openly denied service in some establishments.

    Personally, I think willful ignorance is worse than just plain stupidity. Stupid people aren't deliberately supergluing blinders on.
     
    Rampart and Natty Bumpo like this.
  9. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2012
    Messages:
    41,740
    Likes Received:
    15,061
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Don't exclude the beachfront "Who am I gonna believe? Alex Jones or my soggy ass?" climate change deniers.

    If anyone is giddy over a half-century retrogression that align the U.S. with Iran, Nicaragua, and El Salvador rather than advanced democracies in respect for women's rights over their own bodies, he is proclaiming himself a big-intrusive-government, authoritarian statist.
     
    Rampart and MJ Davies like this.
  10. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2010
    Messages:
    154,817
    Likes Received:
    39,373
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    He testified in depositions. Why didn't they have HIM testify before the committee about what occurred instead of someone who could only offer hearsay? If she told this storybin her four depositions didn't they go and ask these agents if it occurred?
     
  11. Surfer Joe

    Surfer Joe Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2008
    Messages:
    24,503
    Likes Received:
    15,729
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Lol…they should have let him go lead the insurrection riot.
    When you incite a stupid mob of armed right wing extremists, the chance of friendly fire incidents is pretty good.
     
    Rampart likes this.
  12. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2012
    Messages:
    41,740
    Likes Received:
    15,061
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Hutchinson testified as to what she was told, as well as to what she directly experienced, and clearly distinguished between the two.

    Should Ornato testify whether he told her what she testified that he told her? Of course.

    If they differ, additional testimonies will be needed to determine which is telling the truth,

    Obviously, Pasquale Cipollone and Mark Meadows should stop concealing what they know, and come clean under oath, as well.

    The Cry Baby Loser who persists in lying is now being savaged in some rightist media based upon the sworn testimonies of so many conservative Republicans of integrity.
    It is entirely appropriate that Trump testify under oath as well, rather than merely blowing gas in Trumpy media.

    The conservative Washington Examiner's editorial board said Hutchinson's testimony “ought to ring the death knell” for Trump's political career. “Trump is unfit to be anywhere near power ever again.”

    The often Trump-friendly New York Post blasted the headline: “Tyrant Trump." And the conservative editorial page of the Wall Street Journal wrote, “Just when it seems as if Donald Trump’s behavior after his 2020 loss couldn’t possibly look worse, a new piece of wild testimony arrives.”


    All involved should come clear.
     
    Last edited: Jul 2, 2022
    Rampart likes this.
  13. Zorro

    Zorro Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2015
    Messages:
    77,521
    Likes Received:
    52,089
    Trophy Points:
    113
    And democrat witnesses continue to pour forth:

    [​IMG]
    It's seared (SEARED) into his memory. ​
     
  14. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2010
    Messages:
    154,817
    Likes Received:
    39,373
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male


    She was pure hearsay about the alleged SUV incident

    He gave a deposition to the committee already. Why didn't THEY CALL HIM FIRST!!!!! Why put hearsay on public display then RECESS for weeks so those like you can promote it as fact. Ornato is DEMANDING to testify!!!

    Attorney client privilege and Executive privilege this inquisition is totally out of bounds demanding such tenants be violated just so they can try and make Trump look bad.

    Before or after the Secret Service agents totally refuted her claims?

    The WE also had this to say

    The Jan. 6 committee charade
    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/the-jan-6-committee-charade

    Before or after?


    And as I have repeatedly shown Congress is not authorized to investigate or issue subpoenas just to show someone is bad.
     
  15. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2012
    Messages:
    41,740
    Likes Received:
    15,061
    Trophy Points:
    113

    Yes, she made it clear that it was what she was told as opposed to what she revealed that she had experienced first-hand.

    One can corroborate or contest testimony only after it has been given.
    I am unaware of Ornato making any demands of the Congressional Committee.

    Cipollone has not asserted attorney-client privilege. Surely, his testimony would be insightful, regardless of whether it were to accrue to the benefit or the detriment of Trump.

    Pat Cipollone has no valid privilege or immunity claim to raise, and "I don't want to hurt the hand that fed me and might feed me again" isn't technically an excuse for refusing to comply with an obviously valid demand for testimony under oath. Lawrence Tribe

    Although Cipollone was White House counsel, his client is the office of the presidency, not Donald Trump. Therefore, it may be that certain conversations fall outside the scope of the attorney-client privilege.
    https://www.newsweek.com/pat-cipollone-jan6-testimony-trump-cassidy-hutchinson-1720672
    The pursuit of truth is not evil. Hiding it is.






     
    Rampart and MJ Davies like this.
  16. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2012
    Messages:
    41,740
    Likes Received:
    15,061
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Interesting observations from another conservative Republican Trump insider:

     
    Last edited: Jul 2, 2022
    Rampart likes this.
  17. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2012
    Messages:
    41,740
    Likes Received:
    15,061
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Incidentally, the more lurid of her revelations involving the Loser's lurching at a driver, throwing food, breaking plates, etc. are not the ones that he should be concerned about regarding criminal prosecution.

    According to two Secret Service sources, stories similar to ex-Trump aide Cassidy Hutchinson’s account—which she testified under oath was told to her by former Trump staffer and current Secret Service official Tony Ornato—circulated among agents in the months following the incident. One source, for instance, relayed that Trump profanely demanded to be driven to the Capitol and even “lunged forward” at one point.

    “It was unclear from the conversations I had that he actually made physical contact, but he might have. I don't know,” the source told CNN. “Nobody said Trump assaulted him; they said he tried to lunge over the seat— for what reason, nobody had any idea.”


    Another source who spoke to the SUV’s driver, meanwhile, said that while he didn’t hear about any physical altercation, he was told that Trump verbally berated his Secret Service detail after his Jan. 6 speech. According to Hutchinson, Trump yelled at his detail: “I’m the f-ing President. Take me up to the Capitol now!”

    While not disputing that Trump demanded agents take him to the Capitol, a Secret Service official said earlier this week that Ornato denied telling Hutchinson the story, and Secret Service agent Bobby Engel—who was in the vehicle—refuted that Trump lunged at an agent or tried to grab the steering wheel.

    The agency has also said that Engel and the driver are prepared to testify before the Jan. 6 House committee under oath. The credibility of Engel and Ornato, however, has come under question recently, as they’ve been described as Trump’s “yes men” and at least one former Trump aide has called Ornato a known liar.

    https://news.yahoo.com/secret-gossiping-trump-suv-outburst-201730694.html
     
    Last edited: Jul 2, 2022
  18. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2010
    Messages:
    154,817
    Likes Received:
    39,373
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    More hearsay, no context as to tone and refuted by those involved.

    Why is this of any business of the Congress and this committee, what is the legislative purpose of the issue here?
     
    popscott likes this.
  19. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2012
    Messages:
    41,740
    Likes Received:
    15,061
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Even Trump toady McCarthy acknowledged the need for a congressional investigation, Whether he he envisioned one dominated by Republican officeholders and Republican Trump administration insiders testifying under oath, I have no idea, but they're the ones in the know.
    "We cannot just sweep this under the rug.
    We need to know why it happened, who did it, and people need to be held accountable for it.
    And I'm committed to make sure that happens."

    The Washington Examiner

    “The president bears responsibility for Wednesday’s attack on Congress by mob rioters.”
    Politico

    McConell blames Trump for Capitol riot

    McConnell's final remark to Trump was 'you lost the election.'
     
  20. popscott

    popscott Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 3, 2021
    Messages:
    18,921
    Likes Received:
    12,658
    Trophy Points:
    113
    CNN's "According to two Secret Service sources" now there is some real dependable journalism right there.

    ""Why is this of any business of the Congress and this committee, what is the legislative purpose of the issue here?""
    Exactly... this committee has set a dangerous precedent that we can use a legislative committee to investigate any and all crimes with no rules, boundaries or limits and then pass flawed and fake evidence on to the executive branch... who apparently can't do their own jobs and are more than willing to except what ever the Congress clown show feeds them.
     
    Bluesguy likes this.
  21. popscott

    popscott Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 3, 2021
    Messages:
    18,921
    Likes Received:
    12,658
    Trophy Points:
    113
    [QUOTE="Natty Bumpo, post: 1073557381, member: 61067"]Incidentally, the more lurid of her revelations involving the Loser's lurching at a driver, throwing food, breaking plates, etc. are not the ones that he should be concerned about regarding criminal prosecution.

    According to two Secret Service sources, stories similar to ex-Trump aide Cassidy Hutchinson’s account—which she testified under oath was told to her by former Trump staffer and current Secret Service official Tony Ornato—circulated among agents in the months following the incident. One source, for instance, relayed that Trump profanely demanded to be driven to the Capitol and even “lunged forward” at one point.

    “It was unclear from the conversations I had that he actually made physical contact, but he might have. I don't know,” the source told CNN. “Nobody said Trump assaulted him; they said he tried to lunge over the seat— for what reason, nobody had any idea.”


    Another source who spoke to the SUV’s driver, meanwhile, said that while he didn’t hear about any physical altercation, he was told that Trump verbally berated his Secret Service detail after his Jan. 6 speech. According to Hutchinson, Trump yelled at his detail: “I’m the f-ing President. Take me up to the Capitol now!”

    While not disputing that Trump demanded agents take him to the Capitol, a Secret Service official said earlier this week that Ornato denied telling Hutchinson the story, and Secret Service agent Bobby Engel—who was in the vehicle—refuted that Trump lunged at an agent or tried to grab the steering wheel.

    The agency has also said that Engel and the driver are prepared to testify before the Jan. 6 House committee under oath. The credibility of Engel and Ornato, however, has come under question recently, as they’ve been described as Trump’s “yes men” and at least one former Trump aide has called Ornato a known liar.

    https://news.yahoo.com/secret-gossiping-trump-suv-outburst-201730694.html
    [/QUOTE]

    ""According to two Secret Service sources""... your link is a total joke.
     
  22. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2012
    Messages:
    41,740
    Likes Received:
    15,061
    Trophy Points:
    113

    I have consistently expressed my view that all implicated should testify under oath, Pat Cipollone and Mark Meadows as central characters, of course. We've heard from so many Republicans, why not the ones at the core of the doings?
     
    Last edited: Jul 2, 2022
    Rampart likes this.
  23. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2010
    Messages:
    154,817
    Likes Received:
    39,373
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    He didn't and hasn't endorsed THIS one by any stretch. I was for a proper investigation into why there was a riot at that Capitol that able to breech the security with such apparent ease.

    But I ask again

    Why is this, this whole SUV thing of any business of the Congress and this committee for a public airing, what is the legislative purpose of the issue here?
     
  24. popscott

    popscott Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 3, 2021
    Messages:
    18,921
    Likes Received:
    12,658
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Then Pelosi should be at the top of the list... She has been implicated by many from the beginning.
     
  25. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2012
    Messages:
    41,740
    Likes Received:
    15,061
    Trophy Points:
    113
    When was there ever an investigation proposed to focus on "breeching security" rather than why the goons attacked Congress?

    McCarthy didn't mention it when he said,

    "We cannot just sweep this under the rug.
    We need to know why it happened, who did it, and people need to be held accountable for it.
    And I'm committed to make sure that happens."

    Obtaining a thorough understanding of the events surrounding the goon attack on January 6 is consistent and diligent. More Republicans like Meadows and Cipollone coming clean should significantly contribute to gaining a full and accurate picture.
     
    Last edited: Jul 2, 2022

Share This Page