Jeff Bezos and the Amazon staff pay offer

Once you become an employer your motivations change, the more you employ the more profit becomes the motivation since labour will be the biggest overhead.

 

Shh.
JET will call you à Marxist.

 

That's a pretty presumptive statement. You have support for it?

My experience has been that there are, of course, those that are motivated strictly by profit, there are those who start a business with a combination of profit and personal satisfaction, and there are those who start a business based on altruistic reasons. And, as always, there is every variation of those categories as there are individuals.

What I haven't experienced is an employer who treats their employees at chattel, is abusive as an employer, who has stayed in business very long. That's what the labor markets are about - they cull those who break labor laws very quickly, and those who take advantage of employees, get known very quickly in the labor markets.

 

Jet can call me whatever tickles his fancy, but it doesn't mean it's applicable.

 

Those are your personal experiences and presumptative statements. All employers are solely motivated by profit, if they weren't they would cease to exist such is the nature of capitalism, which rules western society with an iron rod. This is how we have fallen upon massive income inequality and vast concentrations of wealth which would be impossible without abstract poverty.

 

You are naive. I worked for a fortune 500 company once that was much smaller than Amazon. It provided offices for auditors that worked there full time. Every tax return was audited all year long. I don't think you understand how the IRS works.

 

I disagree. Government is a servant of itself in my view.

 

Exactly, they don't serve the ppl, just themselves

 

But I understand how the UK inland revenue and customs works.

 

Who pays what tax where is different in each country
That plays to international companies like Amazon which sources from one and sells into another without ever touching the goods.

 

In my last job, the guy that promoted me to manager, said in a manager's meeting that I attended, "Life is too short, anyone who doesn't like their job should quit and go do what they enjoy". So five years later, the company was sold. Under TUPE regulations, nothing could happen with our employment contracts for two years. Then after two years, half of head office were getting sacked, various store jobs scrapped etc.. I was married, two kids, and a mortgage. So I resigned, I went self employed construction and I learnt QUICK, often 70+ hours a week. That was over 18 years ago.

Many people don't have that luxury? I wouldn't call it a luxury, I call it hard work and determination. Luxury sounds like some expect an easy life, that's the first thing they need to get out of their head.

 

You've not supported your statements. You've basically repeated the same statement, over and over, which doesn't necessarily make it true.

No, all employers are NOT solely motivated by profit, and back to your previous statement at the expense of the employees. Or have you changed direction?

Income inequality is flawed on it's basis. Something can ONLY be 'unequal' in terms of money when every, I repeat EVERY aspect of the comparatives are the same. In trying to paint the monetary pool as being stagnant (representing that whomever gets more, is taking it from someone else) when it is NOT stagnant, it is constant motion. So Income Inequality doesn't hold up to even the most basic review.

 

Many years ago I started a business that I enjoyed doing, provided me a decent living, and financially benefitted my customer/clients. The business went through a tough time and I continued to pay my employees my employees while taking no compensation for myself. Fortunately, times got better for the business before I had to fire anyone and I could resume taking a check. I slept well at night. I am not that unusual, I know others who have done something similar. There are a lot of us.

 

While sounding à viable option, I am afraid it is not so easy right now in the UK.
There is no viable economy to move into. People are not consuming anything, they are having to run down savings BECAUSE THEY HAVENT HAD A PAY RISE FOR NEARLY THREE YEARS.
Surely it is part of à responsible huge company to help boost the economy by putting more money into people's pocket and put wages up.
And the previous easy trade with the EU has been slowed down by Brexit rather like sand in the gears.
The only people making bags of money are those who are already rich...property owners, absent oligharcs and money launderers with connections in high places, energy companies and CEO's on fixed pay contracts. In fact some have not taken their bonuses.
To be able to hop jobs and careers you need a stable strong economy. It used to be like that for as long as I can remember in the UK but right now there isnt that space to move around in.
But the point is what is the rôle of employers in reviving à stagnant economy?
There is an inherent recognition of à moral responsibility to employees by business, embedded in employment law and workers' rights. But when you get a situation where national business is under huge pressure but some international companies are profiting hugely, surely they can choose to contribute to their workers' wages. After all capitalism says that will eventually increase their own profits (theoretically and in a closed economy and yes I understand inflation).
There is a huge difference between sympathetic capitalism and communist/Marxist practise. Reality is, after all, full of tones and shades. Nor absolutes.

 

Stating that profit is the only motivating factor for employers doesn't need any support, it's a simple fact. If you can name any other motivating factors for Tesco or BP or Lloyds then please be my guest.

The proportion of wealth held by 1% is 44% and 63% hold 1% of wealth. If you think capitalism has proven a success one can only assume the real character inside you is that of the 1% i.e the former slaver.

 

Yes, actually, it does. That you pick particular employers means you know there are others who don't fall into your claim. And they do exist.

World's richest people now own 11% of global wealth | Fortune

I requoted this to highlight the absurdity of the statement. You cannot support your statement, so you go for, what is it, ad hom? Accusing me of being a 'former slaver' or as part of my character?

That is borderline foul, and I resent it. I would have preferred that you didn't bother responding, but unfortunately you chose a very, very low road to travel.

 

please feel free to give me ONE motivating factor behind BP's business plan, besides profit and ill concede that employers are not self serving greedy capitalists.

you chose to pick 0.01% of the worlds population for that figure, lol. try the 1% and see how much global wealth they own..

 

you have offered zero evidence that there are motivating factors behind corporations yet still seek to hold a moral high ground, hence the analogy.

 

In spite of its flaws capitalism has provided a better standard of living for more people than any other system.
Socialism fails because it goes against human nature.

 

Specifically, the human nature to calculate trade-offs, which we call "economic calculation." Socialists, and pretty much all collectivists, have no theory of wealth creation. They think it just springs up mechanically from human labor, despite the fact that almost 10,000 years of human civilization was mostly sustained by subsistence labor and just enough more to support a small, wealthy elite.

 

I suggest you go into construction if you feel there's no work out there.

 

capitalism has created massive debts for westerners and poverty across the globe. We are now in a cost of living crisis where ppl are going to freeze or starve over winter. It's failed the ppl but not the 1% who are getting richer and richer. Capitalism survives only by creating poverty.

 

Alot of us what?

Is this example supposed to put business owners in a good light or something? I see nothing...

 

The vast number of business owners care about their employees.
If not the employees go somewhere else.
THIS time there is nowhere else to go and the company is extraordinarily wealthy.
Which is why I posted this thread.
The offer seems unusually insulting.

 

There are few new homes being built in the UK.,
There is no room, services like schools and doctors are already struggling and new roads take up otherwise wet or unsuitable land.