Jeff Sessions: Peter Strzok's FBI security clearance has been revoked.....

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  1. Max Rockatansky

    Max Rockatansky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why is Obamacare still there? Because the Republicans have nothing to replace it? We should never have been in Iraq in the first place....except to use parts of it as a bombing range. How are Obama's appointments any different than any other President's? Yes and Trump got rid of those EOs with his own.

    I doubt McConnell and Boehner were secretly Muslim Democrats.
     
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    Yes, you found the "Money Quote".
    But when what passes for the Left these days is in power corrupt biased investigations are just fine. ;-)
     
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    Very similar wording is in SCOTUS decisions, and these corrupt investigations spawned Dirty Bob Muller's and many of these same folks were involved in all of them. I wouldn't count on ANY of their biased product withstanding Court Review.
     
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    You almost make it sound acceptable for the supposed impartial federal law enforcement agency to act that way. Do you think they should be prosecuted?
     
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    They killed the individual mandate, Obama Care will die on it's own.
     
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    Total Nonsense^^^^^ as per the usual.
     
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    I agree with you regarding Iraq, but its was Obama who piulled the Troops out. He also managed to avoid any more major troop deployments into combat for 8 years - a significant accomplishment for any President.
    Most presidents political appointees are removed very quickly. Many of Obama's appointees still remain to undermine Trump's agenda because McConnell is obstructing many of Trump's appointees to the bureaucracy and the courts.

    I doubt that McConnell, Boehner and Ryan are Muslim Democrats, MDs.
    They do appear to be Virtual Democrats. VDs. ;-)
     
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    The FBI/DOJ has apparently been under the control of very bad actors for a long time. No wonder the Congress eliminated the Independent Counsel law.
    A corrupt system cannot tolerate independent investigations.
     
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    :roflol:
     
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    Funny, but I doubt they are VDs either. :) As for obstructing Trump's appointees, I'd like a closer look at that one. What is their reasoning? The fact the appointees aren't qualified? Not RW enough? Concerns they are too much like Michael Brown?
     
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    Nope. Scroll up. I've repeatedly advocated that all corruption should be rooted out and charges made against corrupt individuals.

    OTOH, I'm also not a political Chicken Little running around with a blank piece of paper screaming I have a list with over 200 Muslim, LW, Commie spies in the FBI.

    What the Chicken Littles won't admit is that if this "Deep State" conspiracy was so effective, why isn't Hillary President?
     
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    Oh did you think he was fired? Maybe if you weren't digging thru Trumps closet. You could keep up with what is taking place in what Bill Maher calls Real Time.
     
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    That's right. And last Tuesday the Trump administration took the final step in its plan aimed at making health insurance policies cheaper for some small businesses allowing them to band together to buy insurance for their employees junking Obama ACA rules that force them to buy coverage they don't want or need such as for mental health, pediatrics, and obstetrical and newborn coverage to mention a few. Obama care is dead and it isn't coming back.
     
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    No.....nor does he work with FBI Counter Intel.
     
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    It was but now its been restored as of May 23rd.
     
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    OK.. thanks.
     
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    Yes, the difference between a VD and a D can be very subtle. ;-)
    McConnell is insisting on following a 60/40 rule that Harry Reid erased - for the DP.
     
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    Why do you think McConnell is seeking to restore the 60/40 rule? Could it be that it'd go against them in a future election? That it allows tyranny by a small majority?

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/01/democrats-trump-cabinet-senate/513782/
    A little over three years ago, Senator Mitch McConnell stood on the Senate floor and issued a warning to the Democrats who then controlled the majority.

    “I say to my friends on the other side of the aisle, you’ll regret this,” McConnell, then the minority leader, told them. “And you may regret it a lot sooner than you think.”

    At the urging of Majority Leader Harry Reid, Democrats had just voted along strict party lines to change the rules of the Senate, deploying what had become known in Washington as “the nuclear option.” McConnell and his Republican colleagues were furious. Under the new rules, presidential nominees for all executive-branch position—including the Cabinet—and judicial vacancies below the Supreme Court could advance with a simple majority of 51 votes. The rules for legislation were untouched, but the 60-vote threshold for overcoming a filibuster on nearly all nominations was dead.

    As Donald Trump prepares to assume the presidency this afternoon flanked by Republican majorities in Congress, McConnell’s warning is looking more and more prescient. Trump may win Senate confirmation of his entire Cabinet, and while Democrats will oppose many of his nominees, it was their vote in November 2013 that helped pave the way for their success.


    “Certainly it would have been easier to defeat them had the rules not changed,” Senate Minority Leader Charles Schumer acknowledged on Thursday. The New York Democrat has mocked Trump’s nominees as the “Swamp Cabinet” and has spent the last few weeks denouncing the incoming president’s picks for their conflicts of interest, unpaid taxes, and their adherence to rigid conservatism. He’s accused Senate Republicans of trying to jam through the nominees with quick hearings and minimal vetting. “From top to bottom, it’s clear that Republicans were attempting to orchestrate a cover up of the president-elect’s swamp cabinet,” Schumer said. “Senate Democrats and the American people won’t stand for it.”

    But can they stop it?

    While Democrats plan to allow at least two of Trump’s nominees to be confirmed Friday after his inauguration, they have identified eight of his picks as “controversial” and are demanding either more information or a lengthy floor debate before a vote. Those include Rex Tillerson for secretary of state, Steve Mnuchin for treasury secretary, Senator Jeff Sessions for attorney general, Representative Tom Price for health and human services secretary, and Betsy DeVos for education secretary. Yet because of the rules change, Democrats can only stall for so long—probably a few weeks in total. They need at least three Republican defections to defeat any nominee, and so far not a single GOP senator has said they would vote against a Trump choice.

    Schumer has voiced regret about the nuclear option since Trump’s election, telling CNN earlier this month that he had argued internally for keeping the 60-vote threshold not only for Supreme Court nominees but for the Cabinet as well......
     
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    MANDATE GONE = The Main Point.
     
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    They are just common washington dc swamp rats

    Their only goal in life is to remain in office
     
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    McCarthy may have been an ineffective drunk, but he has apparently more right that wrong about all the spies in the USG Deep State.

    "Red-baiters like Sen. Joseph McCarthy weren't too far wrong about the extensive Soviet penetration of U.S. government agencies in the 1940s, documents released Tuesday by the National Security Agency show.
    Transcripts of cables sent by KGB agents to Moscow in 1944 and 1945 were intercepted by U.S. cryptoanalysts and indicate that more than 100 Soviet agents had infiltrated the State Department, Justice Department, War Department, Treasury Department and even the Office of Strategic Services, the precursor of the CIA.
    The documents give substance to charges made by Elizabeth Bentley, a former KGB agent who went to the FBI in 1945 to detail the extent of Soviet penetration of U.S. government agencies during World War II. Although Bentley was discredited as being unreliable, other KGB officers gave Moscow the same information she gave the FBI....
    Ronald Radosh, a historian who has studied the McCarthy era, said the KGB cables are forcing a reinterpretation of history of the post-war "Red scares" in the United States.
    "Not everyone accused by McCarthy was innocent," Radosh said, noting that the backlash to McCarthy's anti-communist crusade tended to discredit anyone who sought to expose Soviet activities in the United States....
    The National Security Agency released 500 translations of KGB cables Tuesday as part of a year-long project to declassify and make public the wartime work of U.S. code-breakers who uncovered Soviet spying activities here.

    Previous releases of documents have detailed Soviet efforts to steal nuclear secrets and the involvement of Julius and Ethel Rosenberg in wartime spying....

    The NSA is releasing the documents via the Internet. They can be found at http://www.nsa.gov:8080." Lance Gay, "Scads of Spies Infiltrated the U.S. In 40's, Files Show," ARKANSAS DEMOCRAT - GAZETTE, 3/6/96
     
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    Until they can really cash in with one of the Beltway Bandit outfits.

    "Technically, former Senators are forbidden from lobbying their old colleagues by a two year “cooling-off period”, so Bennett and Dorgan joined Arent Fox as "senior policy advisers" in the Government relations department. There is little difference between what a formal officeholder who lobbies does and what a former officeholder who “senior advises” does.” p. 165.

    “Dorgan beat [Abramoff] up over the "cesspool of greed" that surrounded Abramoff’s lobbying practice. In his subsequent memoir, Abramoff wrote of Dorgan,"I guess it wasn't a cesspool when he had his hand out to take over $75,000 in campaign contributions from our team and clients." p. 165.

    “When asked if his career change could be classified as "cashing in,” Robert Bennett replied, “Is there anything in the Constitution that forbids me from earning a living?" Mark Leibovich, This Town, Penguin Books, 2013, p. 166.
     
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    Mitch has already violated the 60/40 rule. Reid has violated the 60/40 rule. The 60/40 Rule is not a rule.
    It operates at the discretion of the leadership and only to protect the corrupt bipartisan ruling political class from Congressional reformers and from a reform president.
     
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    It was a rule and, during the Bush Amdinistration, there was a lot of talk about the nuclear option. Finally the Democrats, who did the most bitching, broke it themselves. I think this was a mistake on the part of the Senate, one many regret as posted previously.
     
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    It was five (that we know of so far) in 39 (investigating Trump's collusion) and the fact these included Strzok (the second in command at counterintelligence) and his adulterous lover Lisa Page (who was assigned as McCabe's attorney), as well as McCabe himself (then Deputy Director of the FBI) in whose office and in his presence Strzok referred to an "insurance policy" against Trump's election, suggests this was more than just tainted personal political views. Incidentally, "Agent 2" (who texted she would be "carrying both her guns" if Hillary did not win) was on the "taint team" examining whether materials seized in the Hillary matter should be excluded from consideration, and texted "f*ck Trump" (among other things) to "Attorney 2" (who was also high up on the Hillary investigation team -and shared his lover's views, as evident from his own messages).

    Political views in the FBI should be diverse, I expect they are, but when people openly expressing such a jaundiced perspective are meeting with the Deputy Director and voicing such views in his office while strategizing on the conduct of an investigation against their ideological foe, the issue of their objectivity and impartiality has to be questioned.

    As I've often noted, the longer this Mueller effort goes on, the worse it looks for him and his team; documented bias, the leaks, reliance on Hillary's opposition research, covert surveillance, infiltrated agents, misrepresentations in FISA court, unmaskings… by now the whole process is so controversial nothing coming from it could premise any legal action. Do you realize Mueller's appointment itself is "fruit of the poisonous tree"?
     
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