Jesus was a Jew. Why do some Christians and Muslims hate Jews?

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  1. Greatest I am

    Greatest I am Well-Known Member

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    Arabs like Jews. Strange given the expulsions all over the Middle East.

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    By any name, the U.S. is an oligarchy. Especially now.

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    I am well aware of our tribal natures but we are supposed to be smart enough by now to war with trade and not guns.

    I will play though.

    Why do some (inferior people) hate (superior people)?

    Straight jealousy I think.

    The inferior or unlucky covet what the superior or fortunate have.

    Coveting has good qualities but also evil ones.

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    Nicely put, but U.S. whites, the advantaged group to some, seem to dislike blacks, who are the disadvantaged group.

    From what you put, blacks should be really hating whites.

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    All the old religious text should be read as myth and commentary. To read them literally or as history is beyond foolish.

    I hope you can see how intelligent the ancients were as compared to the mental trash that modern preachers and theists are using with the literal reading of myths.

    https://bigthink.com/videos/what-is-god-2-2

    Further.
    http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/03132009/watch.html

    Rabbi Hillel, the older contemporary of Jesus, said that when asked to sum up the whole of Jewish teaching, while he stood on one leg, said, "The Golden Rule. That which is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor. That is the Torah. And everything else is only commentary. Now, go and study it."

    Please listen as to what is said about the literal reading of myths.

    "Origen, the great second or third century Greek commentator on the Bible said that it is absolutely impossible to take these texts literally. You simply cannot do so. And he said, "God has put these sort of conundrums and paradoxes in so that we are forced to seek a deeper meaning."

    Matt 7;12 So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.

    This is how early Gnostic Christians view the transition from reading myths properly to destructive literal reading and idol worship.



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    yes I see your research is very simple

    So tell me, do you lend money to yourself at interest and then pay interest back to yourself too? All reasonable people do that righteeeo? :omg:
    well with research as comprehensive as yours who could argue that eh?
     
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    ......and why do some Jews hate Muslims or Christians?

    The larger question is why people hate groups. No group of people is without flaws and if you intend to hate a group those flaws will be magnified and a balanced view of reality will be lost. The question as far as I know has not been answered but I can guess....buy let's exclude those that hate the haters. It is perfectly logical to hate racist groups because they are destructive to the social order.

    The hater must receive pleasure in the act of hating a group. It could be low self-esteem. The hater puts herself above members of a group. The insecure feels threatened by a group and relieves her anxiety through hate. The fearful see social order threatened by a group that wants to change the status quo. Some haters needs a scapegoat in order not to face life's bad decisions, bad luck or bad social circumstances. Studies have shown that stronger bonds are formed between individuals who share their dislikes over those that share their likes. This leads those that feel socially isolated and have some of the mentioned attributes to form bonds with hate groups or be radicalized in order to fit in with an accepting group.

    In other words a hater is not a healthy person.
     
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    Possibly because of the inquisitions and jihads that both religions have sent out to kill them?

    As a Gnostic Christian, that immoral and unjust killing irks even a loving guy like me.

    Hate is born from love and she is a demanding mistress. Love pushes me to hate evil.

    Christianity and Islam are fascist religions, as shown by the Vatican being Hitler's bank. Both religions want to rule the world and do not mind killing and murder as a way to that end.

    They gain the pleasure of strengthening their bond with their fellow tribe members.

    I liked the rest of your post except for this.

    I see hate being born from love. If you form a love bias, you will automatically form a hate bias that would be applied to anything that would jeopardize that which you love. Think of your love for family and how your hate against a threat would manifest real quick. I hope.

    If to love is healthy and normal then so is hate.

    I hold a lot of hate against what threatens what I love.

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    Oh come on, everyone hates hitler/nazis possibly the last government on the planet that actually listened to the people. Oh wait, we have the NSA.
     
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    Christianity and Islam are fascist religions? You seem to have missed the sentence: "No group of people is without flaws and if you intend to hate a group those flaws will be magnified and a balanced view of reality will be lost."
    You see hate being born from love? A rationalization that has turned to nonsense. How is hating an entire race of people, for example, born from "love" rather than a defense mechanism protecting a fragile ego?
    Either you did not read or didn't understand what I wrote....it was about you.
     
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    In that case I highly recommend you stick to your day job :roflol:
     
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    Christians hate them because they wanted Jesus to be executed by the Romans.
    Muslims hate them why they refused to convert to Islam, which made Muhammad very sad.
    The Non-religious hate Jews because they believe in a Jewish world conspiracy.

    In short: the world is full of hateful idiots. :(
     
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    The Rothschild family has had its best time. They are almost bankrupt.
    https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Rothschild_family
     
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    It's well known that the early Christianity was a religion of mysteries, and many Christians were Gnostics. So many, in fact, that the Gnostic Valentinus was chosen as a candidate for bishop of Rome.

    Tertullian, if I'm not mistaken, wrote that the Scriptures were only the spiritual milk for infants in faith, while the solid spiritual food was reserved to the initiates. But once Christianity was established as an official religion of the Roman empire, the Church leaders couldn't miss the opportunity to convert the less intellectually inclined masses to the new religion, giving up the sophisticated philosophy in favor of a literalist interpretation of simple texts. Salvation and a blissful eternity in paradise were thus attainable by everyone. No wonder the simplistic version of Christianity became so popular.

    Most, maybe all, Church Fathers, were heretics by Catholic standards. Ironic, isn't it?
     
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    Christians hate Jews because the early Church leaders, fearing the influence of Judaism on their flock, did everything in their power to marginalize and demonize Jews.

    We know from Eusebius that during the reign of Constantine, in the 4th century, Christians celebrated the Jewish Passover. We know from the expulsion edict issued by the Spanish king in the 15th century that Christians converted to Judaism in worrying numbers. Laws forbidding Christians to work for Jews and marry Jews, and forbidding Jews to practice most professions, were put in place to hinder relationships between the two groups. Ghettos, separate quarters, and compelling Jews to wear different clothes (the black costumes of the ultra-religious are in fact an instrument of oppression turned tradition), further deepened the divide, Incessant anti-Jewish incitement from the clergy was the norm. Still is, in Eastern Europe.
     
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    Eh, no. A scientific statement from research with babies that has shown itself to be true. google, --- Babies know good and evil,--- and have fun learning about love and hate. I have a link somewhere if you nee it but you likely trust your own sources.

    That is your answer. It is a tribal defence mechanism.

    Was it not the love of freedom, and the fear/hate of losing it that prompted the U.S to finally get into WWII?

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    We all love and hate what threatens what we love.

    Many are misguided and idiots, I agree.

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    So tell me, will you continue to spread historic jew hating tropes even when as I just demonstrated its so much bullshit?
     
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    Indeed.

    Christians have forgotten and ignored their heretical beginnings.

    I like your writing style. You should write a book or let me hire you as a ghost writer for mine.

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    you demonstrated no such thing, you have no evidence any of that is a fact and the likely hood they would walk away from a money maker like that is unheard of.

    All they need do is what they have done for years, change the name, have a private trust, and presto the connection is broken, at least for those munching on msm puppy chow.

    Hell you dont even know the difference between 'jew hating' and 'jew criticizing', but anyone spouting those kinds of malicious mischaracterizations will make them the most popular kid on the block because ignorance is in style now days.
     
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    Babies have fun learning about hate? I really don't think hate is in a baby's emotional wheelhouse. They have anger but hate is a complex emotion. Bring on the "research".

    True, humans are tribal and it is a defense mechanism but there should be a rational threat to hate an entire group of people rather than neurotic fears which cause the hater to take on less than rational beliefs in order to protect their fragile ego. Like Kokomojojo's list, I could make a very long list of dirty deeds done by Christians or white Europeans. Why don't I? I do not have an emotional need to hate.
     
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    I've actually met Christians who didn't know that Jesus was a Jew. Not even joking.
     
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    No experience with kiddies I see. When provoked by bullies for instance babies can learn to hate very young and very quickly and do so for their entire life.
    like what? a bullet that has left the barrel and well on its way to someones head before it can be considered 'rational'? group idiology is enough or state force on their behalf isnt enough for you?
    But they didnt get expelled from every country in european theater for infiltrating and undermining governments then using the same government to force their religion on everyone using state law like the jews did, and do, to this very day. Case in point, freedom of speech.....'thou shalt not criticize the holocaust in Europe' by edict of jewish laws imposed on the affected countries. If thou shalt violate said jewish law thou shalt rot in prson for freely expressing their opinion.

    Some **** never changes.


    Persecution of Christians

    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    This article is about acts that were historically committed against Christians because of their faith. For acts in the modern era, see Persecution of Christians in the modern era.

    Christians, in 1922, fleeing their homes in the Ottoman Empire. In the 1910s and 1920s the Armenian, Greek, and the Assyrian genocides occurred.


    The persecution of Christians can be historically traced from the first century of the Christian era to the present day. Early Christians were persecuted for their faith at the hands of both the Jews from whose religion Christianity arose and the Romans who controlled many of the lands across which early Christianity was spread. Early in the fourth century, a form of the religion was legalized by the Edict of Milan, and it eventually became the State church of the Roman Empire.

    Christian missionaries as well as converts to Christianity have been the target of persecution ever since the emergence of Christianity, sometimes to the point of being martyred for their faith.
     
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    I told you where to get the research. I am not your bitch. Do ley me know if that search is beyond you.

    No emotional need to use the Golden Rule.

    Martin Niemöller
    First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.
    Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist.
    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
    Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

    Add women and gays who are religions longest running victims and you might get an idea of what you should be doing about the mainstream religions.

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