Jesus was the first Republican:

what do you know exactly?? and why do you think it is true

 

where did you read that?? What book about charitable giving by liberals and conservatives?

 

It's written in the bible. This is your OP, your quote below. You said Jesus was not about gov't behavior, yet he tells us in the bible verse all gov'ts are ordained by God. So your claim seems to be bogus.

 

too subtle for you I"m afraid. Jesus said all power comes from God then instructed people how to behave, not govt. He said give unto Caesar and God not because he thought Caesar was a great guy but because he wanted to keep alive a little longer. In the end Christianity took over Roman govt and Rome did not take over Christianity. Got it now??

 

Absolutely not.
This is the biggest fairy tale I've seen posted in these forums. Except for the bible thumper trying to convince the world the earth is indeed flat.

People were to follow the gov't, because the gov't is ordained from God. Every power on this earth is ordained from God. From that passage. So if one doesn't follow their gov't/power, they are not following what God ordained.

Got it now?

 

1.So are you making the argument that Jesus supported slavery?
2. I've never heard of that reasoning, not saying you are lying, but if you could provide a source that says you couldn't free slaves if you were in debt that would be great.
3. Jefferson created freedom on earth??? That's rather extravagant claim. could women vote? No. Could people be owned? Yes. Could anyone other than a white man own property? No. Could you invade and take someone's land just because you wanted to farm on it? Absolutely. Your idea of freedom and mine are very different.

 

Obviously the teachings of Cesar were opposite to the teachings of Jesus so it would be impossible to follow both. 1+1 = 2

Jesus created love, morality, family, as we know it in the west today.

 

Plato Socrates Aristotle Cicero Jesus supported slavery by default. It was assumed like the air they breathed. It makes Jefferson ,a man born owning salves,all the more a heroic and revolutionary figure.

 

So the son of God, the man who was supposed to die for our sins, thought it was ok to own people, you are crazy. Jesus wasn't a conformist, it's absurd to think that he would support slavery, just because he didn't have address it doesn't mean he supported it.

 

Yes it was ok to own people . Slavery was considered a good thing because it was more civilized than killing people you conquered in war.this of course. Show us exactly where Jesus said he was opposed to slavery. If you cannt do this what will it teach you about your psychological approach to problems

 

In the south they had a great fear of slave revolts. Imagine the problem that would be created if some soft hearted owners freed their slaves or if freed slaves hung around to be near relatives who were still enslaved.

 

You are not thinking deeply. No man is a God and Jefferson was not a God with the power to instantly reverse 1 million years of history and create freedom for all Jefferson though did more than any human being who has ever lived to set in motion the process by which slavery was ended for all men could vote all women could vote and millions were freed from liberal Nazis and from liberal communism

 

For the third time, the United States ended slavery well after Europe had, and women gained the right to vote around the same time they did in Europe, and firepower is what freed Europe from Nazism, not Jefferson's ideology. Give me a break man.

 

That happened though.....

 

Are you a Christian? And what it teaches me is that if someone said you shouldn't stone a woman for cheating, another common practice in those days, they probably would be against slavery as well. I'm using logical inferences, how about your approach to problems?

 

The question was not what Christianity teaches you but whether Plato Aristotle Socrates Cicero and Jesus supported slavery by default and whether Jefferson became the greatest human being in history by setting in motion the process by which slaves and liberal communists were freed

 

It happened to a minimal degree actually slaves were not freed until what we call the Civil War

 

Fire power? The liberal Nazis and liberal communists were defeated by the fire power of freedom Jeffersons empire of liberty was bound to Spread because it is naturally consistent with human nature and a human Passions. Our founders called this natural law. Don't you want to rethink now or would you argue that the freedom that has spread around the world since Jesus was born is due merely to fire power???

 

After Europe??? If you know what your point is please tell us

 

Western Civilization started well before Jesus. See Herodotus' The Histories.

 

right, and I just told you that Jesus probably didn't support slavery.

 

My point is, if Jefferson had failed, and Britain had continued to control America, slavery would have ended sooner

 

Freedom had nothing to do with the defeat of Nazi Germany. D-Day did. and yes I will argue that Christianity spread to some parts of the world through violence, do you think the native Americans willingly converted to Christianity?

 

well, we worship Jesus, not Herodtus. We count time from when Jesus was born. He told us what love family morality and death meant. Without him we would be Romans or Nazis.

 

??? when Jesus instructed us that every man was equal, loved by God, and that every man should nurture his relationship with God in preparation for eternal life with God he set in motion the process that led to Jefferson and then freedom although he said noting about slavery when he was alive.