Jews & Arabs will soon be same number in Palestine

It was called Palestine by Herodotus the Greek historian circa 500 BC.. Palestine was a province of Syria... hundreds of years before the Romans.

 

ahhhh. They push people into a corner but back off slightly when they start to fight back. It's a high maintenance game. No one that was not racially aware and solidaric could put in the work.

 

That seems like a good description of Bibi and the right's management of the conflict.

Another thing that I forgot to point out earlier is that the Arab world and all 57 countries of Organization of Islamic cooperation support Arab peace initiative which calls for normalization of relations with Israel in return for withdrawing to 67 lines; originally it required withdrawal to original lines;however was amended in 2013 to include land swaps.

 

How would an Arab majority threaten the existence of Israel? Israeli Zionists want a Jewish only state, which sounds suspiciously like fascism to me. Ironic, isn't it, that Jews escaped fascism only to establish their own fascist enclave of racial purity...
http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-Ed-Contributors/Whos-a-fascist-and-whos-a-Zionist
http://www.rense.com/general59/ein.htm

 

Yes Jewish State only, just like Saudia Arabia is an Islamic state.

 

so u want Israel to act like Saudi Arabia?

that would violate the promises of the Palestine Mandate and the Decleration of Independence.

 

No I want Israel to be like Israel,a Democracy and free market economy for the Jewish people. Arabs should understand they are at best second class citizens.But that is not a bad thing because compared to Arabs living in Arab nations , being a second class citizen in Israel is a great life. You keep mentioning things with no source data, or summary so I will simply ignore it.

 

and u want Israel to be free of Arabs and other non-Jews

 

Like preplanned ghettos... Zionism is just as pernicious as any other ISM.. sometimes moreso.

 

Not necessarily, if they are productive members of society and do not challenge the idea of Israel as a Jewish state they can stay. Like the Bedouins that fight in the IDF.

 

so you think Germany had the right to rid itself of their Jews?

 

Yes, obviously a country should have a right to dictate its own citizenship laws. No one batted an eye when Germany started its anti Jewish campaign, no one went to war over it, or even implied any care about it. That is why it is vital for Jews to have a homeland, where no one can kick them out.

 

this of course violates the humanitarian principles of the Torah.

The Torah commands the Jews to treat the stranger amoung them in Israel, as a fellow Jew.

 

Ok I am not getting into a theological debate with you, when you fail to reference where this is stated and fail to mention Exodus when Jews are instructed to destroy all in their path to get to the promised land.

 

Exodus 22:21

"Do not mistreat or oppress a foreigner, for you were foreigners in Egypt."

Leviticus 19:33

"'When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them."

Exodus 23:9

"You shall not oppress a stranger, since you yourselves know the feelings of a stranger, for you also were strangers in the land of Egypt.

Deuteronomy 23:7

"You shall not detest an Edomite, for he is your brother; you shall not detest an Egyptian, because you were an alien in his land."

Deuteronomy 24:17

"You shall not pervert the justice due an alien or an orphan, nor take a widow's garment in pledge. "

Deuteronomy 27:19

'Cursed is he who distorts the justice due an alien, orphan, and widow.' And all the people shall say, 'Amen.'


Jeremiah 22:3

'Thus says the LORD, "Do justice and righteousness, and deliver the one who has been robbed from the power of his oppressor Also do not mistreat or do violence to the stranger, the orphan, or the widow; and do not shed innocent blood in this place."

Zechariah 7:10

"and do not oppress the widow or the orphan, the stranger or the poor; and do not devise evil in your hearts against one another."

 

Numbers 31
And Moses spake unto the people, saying, Arm some of yourselves unto the war, and let them go against the Midianites, and avenge the LORD of Midian.

Of every tribe a thousand, throughout all the tribes of Israel, shall ye send to the war.
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So there were delivered out of the thousands of Israel, a thousand of every tribe, twelve thousand armed for war.
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And Moses sent them to the war, a thousand of every tribe, them and Phinehas the son of Eleazar the priest, to the war, with the holy instruments, and the trumpets to blow in his hand.


And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males.


And they slew the kings of Midian, beside the rest of them that were slain; namely, Evi, and Rekem, and Zur, and Hur, and Reba, five kings of Midian: Balaam also the son of Beor they slew with the sword.
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And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones, and took the spoil of all their cattle, and all their flocks, and all their goods.

And they burnt all their cities wherein they dwelt, and all their goodly castles, with fire.

 

clearly, it is a violation of Jewish law to oppress foreigners in the land of Israel.

yes, you can punish criminals, but you cannot abritrarily oppress or mistreat foreigners simply because they are not Jews

 

Deuteronomy 20:16-17 ESV / 4 helpful votes

Here is direct contradiction to your made up concepts.

 

that commandment was for 3,000 years ago.

it has no bearing once Israel was under the control of the Hebrews.

once Israel the land was under their rule, God commanded them to not mistreat or abuse aliens of foreigners.

 

"No I want Israel to be like Israel,a Democracy and free market economy for the Jewish people. Arabs should understand they are at best second class citizens.But that is not a bad thing because compared to Arabs living in Arab nations , being a second class citizen in Israel is a great life. You keep mentioning things with no source data, or summary so I will simply ignore it. "
How is ethnic cleansing representative of a democracy? Israel is a democracy within green lines that is open free market(no country is 100% free market, Israel was founded by socialists as a result it does have socialized health care system with open free market).

"Not necessarily, if they are productive members of society and do not challenge the idea of Israel as a Jewish state they can stay. Like the Bedouins that fight in the IDF. "
Freedom of speech is part of a democracy. If a citizen of Israel wants to speak against Israel a Jewish state they can, as long as it doesn't go to the extent of violence or/and incitement. On productive members of society, do you want haredi citizens to be expelled too? Since many of them instead of serving in army and/or working study at state funded yeshiva(employment of haredi men is 45% compared to 75% among Arab men, 86% among all Jewish men, and 33% among Arab women).
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4699516,00.html

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An Arab majority does threaten Israel's existence as a Jewish and Western state. However there is a solution that doesn't involve ethnic cleansing or having Israel be an apartheid state or even have Israel turn into a bi-national or Arab state, it's simply to withdraw from most of the West Bank. This isn't breaking news as security experts like Amos Yadlan, Ehud Barak, etc have said this. If this is not done I don't see how another third intifada is inevitable or/and Israel defacto turning into an Arab state decades from now.

You cite Saudi Arabia as a model for Israel? One of the most oppressive states in the world with 30,000 political prisoners and harshest form of Sharia law on the planet. A state that probably has contributed the most in Islamic terrorism due to Wahhabism, funding of madrassahs, 15 out of 19 hijackers from Saudi Arabia etc.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/newsnight/9422550.stm

 

Guests should not be mistreated, enemies should be annihilated. The Arabs and Christians living peacefully in Israel are guests, as long as they remain respectful they will remain unharmed. The Arabs who state they want Israel destroyed, and who desecrate the temple mount with their Mosque are enemies that according to the Torah should be annihilated.

 

are you religious?

do you wear a kipah?

do you keep kosher?

do you wash your hands before each meal and say the blessing for the food you are about to eat?

do you fast for Yom Kippur?

do you observe the Sabbath by going to shul and not driving, spending money, or doing work on the Sabbath?

 

You brought up the Torah as a source of law that Israel must follow to prove your point, why are you asking me this? Ask yourself perhaps?

 

you said that the Muslims who worship on the Temple Mount should be annihlated.

im just wondering if you're actually committed to the Torah or just cherry pick what enables bigotry & hatred.

 

Not what I said, and what does that have to do with my last statement? Get new tricks buddy.