JFK was attempting to duplicate Lincoln policy that had saved taxpayers $4 billion

just admit that your op has been thoroughly refuted

 

This is brilliant!!!!!!!!!

This principle can be applied effectively in the near future to avoid conflict in our time period!!!!!!!

 

On this planet with seven billion inhabitants very very very few of them could write the response that you did here. I am truly impressed..........and I am thinking of what discussion thread to take this over into......because you have seriously gotten my attention and I am thus willing to take matters up to another level entirely.........Humn.......I think I know just the one!!!!

Did you know that the Knights Templar were firm believers in the return/reincarnation of John the Baptist perhaps in the form of Moshiach ben Ephrayim?

Yair Davidiy does a brilliant job of elaborating on parts of this subject.....so does Rabbi Pinchas Winston!

 

Dujac........I would like to quote you in full into this thread........

http://www.politicalforum.com/curre...le-assisting-humans-live-hundred-healthy.html

 

first you need to admit the op of this thread has been refuted by the facts i posted

 

You have presented a good case......that is true.....but you have not proven your point beyond reasonable doubt......not yet anyway. If it is any consolation..............I would be joyful and exceedingly happy if you could ultimately be proven to be closer to the truth than I am at this moment!!!!!!???

 

As evidence to my assertion that I have a rather diabolical streak in me.......I technically quoted......my quotation of your original statement......as opposed to your original post.......I know that you will immediately clue to the subtle but potentially important distinction!!!!!!??

For the record.....I have already formed the impression that you have me beaten by at the minimum twenty.....more likely forty or more IQ points!!!!!......but don't let that fool you into thinking that the following debate will be an easy one for you!!!!!

 

what a joke

my post easily refuted your nutty conspiracy theory

 

Any and all big questions need to be considered from far more than one angle.

Here is my reply from the other discussion.......


Although Dujac has presented a powerful case......he has not absolutely proven his point for a number of reasons!

One of them is the fact that the full truth of this topic can only be understood when considered in the full context of American history.

Is it true or not that the money supply, shortly after the American Civil War, was artificially lowered?

Now who would be mostly likely to want a situation like this?

The 56,000 or so business owners who went bankrupt?

I don't think so!


http://www.michaeljournal.org/plenty49.htm

 

you're wrong

 

Not necessarily........because President John F. Kennedy was an astonishingly intelligent and gifted man who would not leave an easily followed paper trail that would prove to any moron that he was taking on the Federal Reserve!

He would have to be stupid to do something like that so even if all that you wrote is true.......you have not proven the Melvin Sickler theory to be entirely invalid?????!!!

 

jfk increased the fed's autonomy

you don't do that when you're taking someone on

the most ridiculous thing about your post is that you say there's no trail

but your op claims to know what happened, the op is nothing but misinformation and lies

 

So are you saying that there is zero validity to the theory that after Benjamin Franklin scared English bankers with information about the monetary policy of the 13 colonies that there was an economic backlash..........that may be traceable to the people that Benjamin FRanklin spoke to??????!!


http://rense.com/general66/nobeyb.htm

.preteristcentral.com/gov-money.htm (dead url)

 

Why is it so difficult to convince our elected representatives be moral enough to bear true witness to our own laws regarding the concept and legal doctrine of employment at will?

 

stop posting looney nonsense

 

I hope you are being sarcastic dennis? seriously.
Dennis you fall way to easy for the propaganda he posts.everybody here sees that immediately when they see his posts.Its a well known fact that Kennedy had over 500,000 treasury notes printed up and ready to go and that before his assassination,he got something like 10,000 of them printed up and they were backed by silver.

His executive order he signed would have effectively eliminated the federal reserve had he lived.

Once he was assassinated,Johnson reversed his executive order and it stopped the rest of the printing of the remaining 500,000 treasury notes.you need to read the book WALL STREET KILLED KENNEDY.its all documented in that book.No president since then has reinstated his executive order because they know the same fate will befall them as it did Kennedy if they did reinstate it.

 

because the majority of them are all bought off and controlled by the zionists jewish community thats why.anytime a good politician gets in,the establishment gets rid of them.again the only way we are going to be a country where the government serves the people instead of the corporations and the bankers again,is when the people get off their arses and fight to take their country back and I dont see that happening anytime soon.

 

there it is,all in black and white why jfk was killed.

President Kennedy, The Fed
And Executive Order 11110
From APFN
By Cedric X
11-20-3

Executive Order 1110 gave the US the ability to create its own money backed by silver. ...
http://www.john-f-kennedy.net/executiveorder11110.htm

On June 4, 1963, a little known attempt was made to strip the Federal Reserve Bank of its power to loan money to the government at interest. On that day President John F. Kennedy signed Executive Order No. 11110 that returned to the U.S. government the power to issue currency, without going through the Federal Reserve. Mr. Kennedy's order gave the Treasury the power "to issue silver certificates against any silver bullion, silver, or standard silver dollars in the Treasury." This meant that for every ounce of silver in the U.S. Treasury's vault, the government could introduce new money into circulation. In all, Kennedy brought nearly $4.3 billion in U.S. notes into circulation. The ramifications of this bill are enormous.

With the stroke of a pen, Mr. Kennedy was on his way to putting the Federal Reserve Bank of New York out of business. If enough of these silver certificats were to come into circulation they would have eliminated the demand for Federal Reserve notes. This is because the silver certificates are backed by silver and the Federal Reserve notes are not backed by anything. Executive Order 11110 could have prevented the national debt from reaching its current level, because it would have given the gevernment the ability to repay its debt without going to the Federal Reserve and being charged interest in order to create the new money. Executive Order 11110 gave the U.S. the ability to create its own money backed by silver.

After Mr. Kennedy was assassinated just five months later, no more silver certificates were issued. The Final Call has learned that the Executive Order was never repealed by any U.S. President through an Executive Order and is still valid. Why then has no president utilized it? Virtually all of the nearly $6 trillion in debt has been created since 1963, and if a U.S. president had utilized Executive Order 11110 the debt would be nowhere near the current level. Perhaps the assassination of JFK was a warning to future presidents who would think to eliminate the U.S. debt by eliminating the Federal Reserve's control over the creation of money. Mr. Kennedy challenged the government of money by challenging the two most successful vehicles that have ever been used to drive up debt - war and the creation of money by a privately-owned central bank. His efforts to have all troops out of Vietnam by 1965 and Executive Order 11110 would have severely cut into the profits and control of the New York banking establishment. As America's debt reaches unbearable levels and a conflict emerges in Bosnia that will further increase America's debt, one is force to ask, will President Clinton have the courage to consider utilizing Executive Order 11110 and, ifso, is he willing to pay the ultimate price for doing so?

Executive Order 11110 AMENDMENT OF EXECUTIVE ORDER NO. 10289

AS AMENDED, RELATING TO THE PERFORMANCE OF CERTAIN FUNCTIONS AFFECTING THE DEPARTMENT OF THE TREASURY

By virtue of the authority vested in me by section 301 of title 3 of the United States Code, it is ordered as follows:

Section 1. Executive Order No. 10289 of September 19, 1951, as amended, is hereby further amended-

By adding at the end of paragraph 1 thereof the following subparagraph (j):

(j) The authority vested in the President by paragraph (b) of section 43 of the Act of May 12,1933, as amended (31 U.S.C.821(b)), to issue silver certificates against any silver bullion, silver, or standard silver dollars in the Treasury not then held for redemption of any outstanding silver certificates, to prescribe the denomination of such silver certificates, and to coin standard silver dollars and subsidiary silver currency for their redemption

and --

Byrevoking subparagraphs (b) and (c) of paragraph 2 thereof.

Sec. 2. The amendments made by this Order shall not affect any act done, or any right accruing or accrued or any suit or proceeding had or commenced in any civil or criminal cause prior to the date of this Order but all such liabilities shall continue and may be enforced as if said amendments had not been made.

John F. Kennedy The White House, June 4, 1963.

Of course, the fact that both JFK and Lincoln met the the same end is a mere coincidence.

Abraham Lincoln's Monetary Policy, 1865 (Page 91 of Senate document 23.)

Money is the creature of law and the creation of the original issue of money should be maintained as the exclusive monopoly of national Government.

Money possesses no value to the State other than that given to it by circulation.

Capital has its proper place and is entitled to every protection. The wages of men should be recognised in the structure of and in the social order as more important than the wages of money.

No duty is more imperative for the Government than the duty it owes the People to furnish them with a sound and uniform currency, and of regulating the circulation of the medium of exchange so that labour will be protected from a vicious currency, and commerce will be facilitated by cheap and safe exchanges.

The available supply of Gold and Silver being wholly inadequate to permit the issuance of coins of intrinsic value or paper currency convertible into coin in the volume required to serve the needs of the People, some other basis for the issue of currency must be developed, and some means other than that of convertibility into coin must be developed to prevent undue fluctuation in the value of paper currency or any other substitute for money of intrinsic value that may come into use.

The monetary needs of increasing numbers of People advancing towards higher standards of living can and should be met by the Government. Such needs can be served by the issue of National Currency and Credit through the operation of a National Banking system .The circulation of a medium of exchange issued and backed by the Government can be properly regulated and redundancy of issue avoided by withdrawing from circulation such amounts as may be necessary by Taxation, Redeposit, and otherwise. Government has the power to regulate the currency and creditof the Nation.

Government should stand behind its currency and credit and the Bank deposits of the Nation. No individual should suffer a loss of money through depreciation or inflated currency or Bank bankruptcy.

Government possessing the power to create and issue currency and creditas money and enjoying the right to withdraw both currency and credit from circulation by Taxation and otherwise need not and should not borrow capital at interest as a means of financing Governmental work and public enterprise. The Government should create, issue, and circulate all the currency and credit needed to satisfy the spending power of the Government and the buying power of the consumers. The privilege of creating and issueing money is not only the supreme prerogative of Government, but it is the Governments greatest creative opportunity.

By the adoption of these principles the long felt want for a uniform medium will be satisfied. The taxpayers will be saved immense sums of interest, discounts, and exchanges. The financing of all public enterprise, the maintenance of stable Government and ordered progress, and the conduct of the Treasury will become matters of practical administration. The people can and will be furnished with a currency as safe as their own Government. Money will cease to be master and become the servant of humanity. Democracy will rise superior to the money power.

Some information on the Federal Reserve The Federal Reserve, a Private Corporation One of the most common concerns among people who engage in any effort to reduce their taxes is, "Will keeping my money hurt the government's ability to pay it's bills?" As explained in the first article in this series, the modern withholding tax does not, and wasn't designed to, pay for government services. What it does do, is pay for the privately-owned Federal Reserve System.

Black's Law Dictionary defines the "Federal Reserve System" as, "Network of twelve central banks to which most national banks belong and to which state chartered banks may belong. Membership rules require investment of stock and minimum reserves."

Privately-owned banks own the stock of the Fed. This was explained in more detail in the case of Lewis v. United States, Federal Reporter, 2nd Series, Vol. 680, Pages 1239, 1241 (1982), where the court said:

Each Federal Reserve Bank is a separate corporation owned by commercial banks in its region. The stock-holding commercial banks elect two thirds of each Bank's nine member board of directors.

Similarly, the Federal Reserve Banks, though heavily regulated, are locally controlled by their member banks. Taking another look at Black's Law Dictionary, we find that these privately owned banks actually issue money:

Federal Reserve Act. Law which created Federal Reserve banks which act as agents in maintaining money reserves, issuing money in the form of bank notes, lending money to banks, and supervising banks. Administered by Federal Reserve Board (q.v.).

The FED banks, which are privately owned, actually issue, that is, create, the money we use. In 1964 the House Committee on Banking and Currency, Subcommittee on Domestic Finance, at the second session of the 88th Congress, put out a study entitled Money Facts which contains a good description of what the FED is:

The Federal Reserve is a total money-making machine.It can issue money or checks. And it never has a problem of making its checks good because it can obtain the $5 and $10 bills necessary to cover its check simply by asking the Treasury Department's Bureau of Engraving to print them.

As we all know, anyone who has a lot of money has a lot of power. Now imagine a group of people who have the power to create money. Imagine the power these people would have. This is what the Fed is.

No man did more to expose the power of the Fed than Louis T. McFadden, who was the Chairman of the House Banking Committee back in the 1930s. Constantly pointing out that monetary issues shouldn't be partisan, he criticized both the Herbert Hoover and Franklin Roosevelt administrations. In describing the Fed, he remarked in the Congressional Record, House pages 1295 and 1296 on June 10, 1932, that:

Mr. Chairman,we have in this country one of the most corrupt institutions the world has ever known. I refer to the Federal Reserve Board and the Federal reserve banks. The Federal Reserve Board, a Government Board, has cheated the Government of the United States and he people of the United States out of enoughmoney to pay the national debt. The depredations and the iniquities of the Federal Reserve Board and the Federal reserve banks acting together have cost this country enough money to pay the national debt several times over. This evil institution has impoverished and ruined the people of the UnitedStates; has bankrupted itself, and has practically bankrupted our Government. It has done this through the maladministration of that law by which the Federal Reserve Board, and through the corrupt practices of the moneyed vultures who control it.

Some people think the Federal reserve banks are United States Government institutions. They are not Government institutions. They are private credit monopolies which prey upon the people of the United States for the benefit of themselves and their foreign customers; foreign and domestic speculators and swindlers; and rich and predatory money lenders. In that dark crew of financial pirates there are those who would cut a man's throat to get a dollar out of his pocket; there are those who send money into States to buy votes to control our legislation; and there are those who maintain an international propaganda for the purpose of deceiving us and of wheedling us into the granting of new concessions which will permit them to cover up their past misdeeds and set again in motion their gigantic train of crime. Those 12 private credit monopolies were deceitfully and disloyally foisted upon this country by bankers who camehere from Europe and who repaid us for our hospitality by undermining our American institutions.

The Fed basically works like this: The government granted its power to create money to the Fed banks. They create money, then loan it back to the government charging interest. The government levies income taxes to pay the interest on the debt. On this point, it's interesting to note that the Federal Reserve act and the sixteenth amendment, which gave congress the power to collect income taxes, were both passed in 1913. The incredible power of the Fed over the economy is universally admitted. Some people, especially in the banking and academic communities, even support it. On the other hand, there are those, both in the past and in the present, that speak out against it. One of these men was President John F. Kennedy. His efforts were detailed in Jim Marrs' 1990 book, Crossfire:

Another overlooked aspect of Kennedy's attempt to reform American society involves money. Kennedy apparently reasoned that by returning to the constitution, which states that only Congress shall coin and regulate money, the soaring national debt could be reduced by not paying interest to the bankers of the Federal Reserve System, who print paper money then loan it to the government at interest. He moved in this area on June 4, 1963, by signing Executive Order 11,110 which called for the issuance of $4,292,893,815 in United States Notes through the U.S. Treasury rather than the traditional Federal Reserve System. That same day, Kennedy signed a bill changing the backing of one and two dollar bills from silver to gold, adding strength to the weakened U.S. currency.

Kennedy's comptroller of the currency, James J. Saxon, had been at odds with the powerful Federal Reserve Board for some time, encouraging broader investment and lending powers for banks that were not part of the Federal Reserve system. Saxon also had decided that non-Reserve banks could underwrite state and local general obligation bonds, again weakening the dominant Federal Reserve banks.

A number of "Kennedy bills" were indeed issued - the author has a five dollar bill in his possession with the heading "United States Note" - but were quickly withdrawn after Kennedy's death. According to information from the Library of the Comptroller of the Currency, Executive Order 11,110 remains in effect today, although successive administrations beginning with that of President Lyndon Johnson apparently have simply ignored it and instead returned to the practice of paying interest on Federal Reserve notes. Today we continue to use Federal Reserve Notes, and the deficit is at an all-time high.

The point being made is that the IRS taxes you pay aren't used for government services. It won't hurt you, or the nation, to legally reduce or eliminate your tax liability.


From The Final Call, Vol15, No.6, on January 17, 1996 (USA)
<http://www.apfn.org/apfn/eo11110.pdf>http://www.apfn.org/apfn/eo11110.pdf
http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?disc=149495;article=46736;title=APFN

 

Here is some more information:

 

thanks for the information.interesting stuff there.

 

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the federal reserve gives all its net-profits to the treasury, no private banks do that

also, the federal reserve's website is a .gov, only government has those

http://www.federalreserve.gov

 

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Kennedy's comptroller of the currency, James J. Saxon, had been at odds with the powerful Federal Reserve Board for some time, encouraging broader investment and lending powers for banks that were not part of the Federal Reserve system. Saxon also had decided that non-Reserve banks could underwrite state and local general obligation bonds, again weakening the dominant Federal Reserve banks.

 

saxon isn't kennedy

 

Didn't Reagan try to save us money by selling off our precious metals?

 

Actually, I was referring back to a subject that I addressed in my 2004 campaign for municipal office:

http://www.bankingsystemsflaws.blogspot.ca

WHAT IS UNDERCONSUMPTIONISM? DO YOU THINK OUR PRIME MINISTER COULD DEFINE THIS THEORY IF ASKED ABOUT IT TOMORROW MORNING?

Basically, underconsumptionism, is the idea that in a technologically advanced economy, the sum total of the wages paid out to all workers involved in the creation of consumer goods, will never be as high as the value of the goods that they can produce. Globalization and the lessening of trade barriers between nations can cause the discrepancy between the supply of funds in the hands of consumers, and the total global level of production, to become almost incomprehensible........

.....
I cannot possibly stress enough how dangerous these ideas are potentially.

We are the grandchildren of the people who killed every passenger pigeon.

The unwise application of this theory can lead to drastically increased economic activity and such high levels of consumption that we end up causing irreparable damage to the environment. Widespread understanding of this theory could potentially lead to the most massive military buildup in history as well.

I believe that our politicians and intellectual elite decided to not clearly explain these concepts, even to our university students, because they knew that we humans tend to take such information and channel it first into warfare. They perhaps consider that we, the ignorant masses, neither deserve nor could handle the tremendous power inherent in such knowledge.

On the other hand, I personally cannot imagine any possible way to prepare for a time of warfare and natural disasters, unless our political leaders comprehend the implications of this theory. Joseph led Egypt to store massive amounts of grain for potential times of trouble but our leaders tell our farmers to burn excess grain to attempt to keep the prices high. Don&#8217;t believe any politician who tells you that it is impossible to get prepared for rough times ahead.

And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do. (Genesis 11:6).

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And the leadership of China has the wisdom and long term vision to be more than willing to purchase them!!!!!!